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I wanted to see what people's opinions are on cancer here, as it seems that on most issues, mamas here are concerned about keeping it natural.

I know, though, that when it comes to cancer, most people would be frightened to death to use alternative treatments.

I personally would never use chemotherapy or radiation. Many people gasp when I say that, but I've learned quite a lot about this issue.

One of the reasons I decided to research this is because of the experiences of some of the people I've known who had cancer.

My grandfather died of prostate cancer. This wasn't necessary though, because he had been rapidly improving under the care of a good ND. My grandfather chose to stop the natural therapy because he didn't like the diet. He went back to his oncologist. Very soon his cancer worsened, metastasized to his bones, and killed him very, very painfully.

A close family friend was diagnosed many years ago with stage IV terminal cancer. She is not one to take anyone's word for anything, though. So after she had been sent home to die, she decided to go to the Hoxey clinic in Mexico (alternative cancer clinic). She stayed at the clinic for a time recieving treatment. She continued some of the treatments after she was sent home. The cancer disappeared. That was probably close to 20 years ago, and she is still living. She is very old, has had several strokes and a broken hip, but no cancer.

The last experience I want to tell is that of a woman who was diagnosed over 20 years ago with Melanoma. I don't know how severe it was. She treated herself with a cancer salve and cured herself. She has used the same salve many times over the years each time she has suspected that a lesion may be cancerous. She is in her 90's now and still quite healthy.

These experiences have shaped how I view cancer treatment. The research I have done has convinced me that what these people experienced were not flukes. They were experiences that many more people could have if they understood the politics behind conventional cancer treatments and where to look for truly effective alternative treatments.

Here is a link to a websight I have just begun exploring which is quite enlightening: http://www.cancertutor.com/Other/NoCancer.html

Another link to an interview with Dr. Gary Glum:

http://www.cancer-solutions.net/DrGlumInterview.htm

So what do you think?
 

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I've had cancer.

Thankfully I had thyroid cancer. It is unique among cancers because it can be targeted by an incredibly specialized form of radiation. The thyroid needs iodine to survive. By using radioactive iodine, the radiation is targeted to the needed area. Its a one time treatment as oppossed to other forms of radiation or chemo. it is by no means pleasant, but in my case, I chose to go ahead and do it.

If I develop cancer again, be it thyroid or otherwise, I will carefully consider my options. I won't necessarily treat every cancer aggressively. My grandmother had a very small spot of breast cancer. At 85 she went through very aggressive treatment. She hasn't been the same sense. It definitely changed how I view the subject.

I think with anything it is about finding balance. We each need to consider the risk from the cancer itself and the risk of the treatment. I have personally not chosen to do use an annual test that my doctor's would like me to do. The test is invasive and involves strong medications. It also takes a week to do. Its just not worth it to me to be sick for a week every year to rule out the remote chance that my cancer has returned. There are other less invasive tests that I have done regularly. If one of those comes up odd, I'll consider the invasive test, but until then its just not worth it for me.
 

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The only time I would attempt natural remedies alone is if western medicine had given up on me. Otherwise I would combine treatments.

Although anecdotal information is pretty much worthless, I have known several people who insisted they could treat their cancer "naturally" and refused western medicine, although their cancers were, by western medicine standards, treatable. They are all dead now from cancer.

I don't have much faith in western medicine overall. But I have even less faith in the many "natural" methods offered. There are so many people with cancer who are desperate and have tried these methods, and cancer is very-well researched (although DH, who worked in cancer research, agrees that some things aren't tested because they are considered too "out there" - still there is an astonishing amount of research being conducted; only a portion of which is published, because unless its a popular remedy that has failed to produce results, failures in research tend to not be published) that if there really was a better means of treating cancer than western medicine that produced consistent, confirmed results I think there would be much more public awareness.
 

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I am currently studing the work of Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer (German New Medicine), it really is too involved to go into it in a post, but as a result I have absolutely no fear of cancer, or any disease for that matter. Dr Hamer has shown that cancer and every other illness, with the exception of malnutrition, poisoning and trauma, is not the result of an error of Nature, nor is it the failure of the immune system, but a meaningful special biological program of nature.

Every disease originates from a serious, acute, isolative dramatic biological conflict shock. The shock effects us in the psyche, brain and the corresponding organ. The exact moment the conflict shock (Dr Hamer calls it the DHS after his son Dirk Hamer who's shooting and death resulted in Dr Hamer getting testicular cancer and thus began his work), will impact the brain in a certain place and the cancer or cancer-equivalent disease will affect the corresponding organ. Dr Hamer has a five year cure rate of 92 percent which is way, way higher than mainstream medicine which can only boast 4 in 10 terminal cancer sufferers alive after five years.

With the knowledge of German New Medicine, one can determine what phase of healing your body is in, whether you are in the conflict active stage or the conflict resolution phase and thus you can treat it accordingly. He has also shown there is no such thing as metastases which he describes as an unproven and unprovable hypothesis. According to Dr Hamer, to this day, there has never been a single observation of a cancerous cell in the arterial blood of a cancer patient. If cancer cells could swim to distant organs, they would have to do it in the arterial blood stream because venous and lymphatic vessels only run to the heart. In the German New Medicine, metastases are the result of the panic suffered through a diagnostic shock when a new DHS triggers a new biological conflict.

In the German New Medicine, the most important thing is to eliminate panic and fear by understanding the context of the disease. There is no way I would subject myself to radiation because it is based on the theory that symptoms need to be eliminated to prevent metastases. Chemo is the biggest fraud in the history of medicine. On tumors controlled by the brain stem it only accelerates cancer growth because the it amplifies the conflict active stage of the cancer. With cancer's controlled by the cerebrum, it is interrups the healing process and the so-called successes are the result of prevention of the healing of cancers. I would not be adversed to surgery if it is absolutely necessary, but I would never agree to having healthy tissue removed. Morphine is a death sentance. It alters the entire brain, diminishes patient moral and closes down the intestines. Basically, as more and more morphine is needed, so the patient's will power shuts down and they end up being "put to sleep".

Here are the two official websites of German New Medicine and the work of Dr Hamer in English:

http://www.newmedicine.ca/index.php

http://germannewmedicine.ca/documents/welcome.html

This will give you a much greater understanding than my confusing post. The websites go into the five biological laws of the German New Medicine and the work of Dr Hamer.
 

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Uccomama, How interesting! That makes so much sense to me. I have always contended that people with undiagnosed tumors could live for years if they were never subjected to the extreme stress and even terror of a cancer diagnosis. The German research just gives more credence to my hunch.

Have any of you ever read Bernie Siegel's Love Medicine and Miracles? He is a mainstream surgeon, but his observations of cancer patients over the years are well worth the read. He says that he almost never sees a cancer patient who hasn't had some very traumatic experience during the the two years prior to the diagnosis. He also notes that the diagnosis itself causes so much fear and panic in some patients that they go into rapid decline immediately thereafter and promptly fulfill their doctor's prognosis.

Bellinghamcrunchie, I totally get where you're coming from. Most of the people I know feel the same way. You might try reading the links I posted above. The articles are long, but very interesting. And the information is not based solely on empirical evidence either.
 

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Have any of you ever read Bernie Siegel's Love Medicine and Miracles? He is a mainstream surgeon, but his observations of cancer patients over the years are well worth the read. He says that he almost never sees a cancer patient who hasn't had some very traumatic experience during the the two years prior to the diagnosis. He also notes that the diagnosis itself causes so much fear and panic in some patients that they go into rapid decline immediately thereafter and promptly fulfill their doctor's prognosis.
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They say that trauma can trigger type 1 diabetes too. I want to look into this more. Do any of these theories touch upon any other diseases (like type 1 diabetes) or only cancer?
 

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They say that trauma can trigger type 1 diabetes too. I want to look into this more. Do any of these theories touch upon any other diseases (like type 1 diabetes) or only cancer?
The German New Medcine applies to all diseases. I have Dr Hamer's Summary of the New Medicine, which goes into his discoveries in great detail and I highly recommend buying it if you are really interested and open to a whole new way of looking at disease and healing. As a start though, both of these articles linked below, give a very good understanding of his work.

German New Medicine® (GNM). An Introduction to
Dr. Hamer's Medical Paradigm, published in EXPLORE! Vol. 6/3, May 2007.


http://germannewmedicine.ca/document...e%20Update.pdf

Dr. Hamer's German New Medicine® presentation at the International Congress on Cancer Treatment (Madrid 2005)

http://germannewmedicine.ca/documents/Madrid%202005.PDF
 

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Have any of you ever read Bernie Siegel's Love Medicine and Miracles? He is a mainstream surgeon, but his observations of cancer patients over the years are well worth the read. He says that he almost never sees a cancer patient who hasn't had some very traumatic experience during the the two years prior to the diagnosis. He also notes that the diagnosis itself causes so much fear and panic in some patients that they go into rapid decline immediately thereafter and promptly fulfill their doctor's prognosis.

Myjo, this discovery was made as early as 1701, the English physician, Genfron wrote in a thesis "Enquires into the nature, knowledge and cure of cancer" that "cancer was caused by a misfortune occassing much worry and travail". According to Dr Hammer, Genfron's cases came very close to the correlation between conflict-shock and cancer.

In 1846, Dr W.H. Walshe wrote in, "The Nature and Treatment of Cancer",

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Much has been written about the influence of emotional pain, unexpected reversals of fate or a melancholy temperament on the transmission of carcinogenic substances. To the extent one can beieve the systematically preceeding authors, these manifestations constitute the most influential cause for cancer.... one could make very convincing observations regarding the influence of the mind on the development of this disease. I myself hve had to do so with cases where the relationship was so obvious... that to have questioned it would have meant to go against the dictates of reason.
IN 1893, H. Snow intestigated these connections at the London Cancer Hospital. He examined 250 patients with breast or uterine cancer and concluded in his book, "Cancer and the Cancer Process", that of those patients over 200 had reported experiencing emotional problems, suffering and confusion before their disease.

But Dr Hamer takes this much further and has demonstrated his finding scientifically through CT scans in many, many thousands of patients.

Here is an example from Summary of the New Medicine on how patients end up with metastases>

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A right-handed woman suffers a DHS (biological conflict shock) because he child is suddenly sick. After three months in hospital, the child recovers. The mother, however, is found to have a 1.5 cm mammary gland carcinoma in the left breast. She is told that the entire breast has to be amputated because of the danger that the malignant cells will "spread" to the surrounding area or may even swim through the blood and generate "distant matastases". In order to prevent this, chemotherapy should be administered as soon as possible to kill all the malignant cells. Confronted with this frightening diagnosis, the surgical interventions, the implications of prognosis, the young mother suffers the following DHS's:
  1. A disfigurement conflict: a melanoma in the surgical scare of her previous left breast.
  2. A self-devaluation conflict: rib osteolysis in the area of the left amputated beast ("I won't be productive thre any more", or "I'm useless there").
  3. An attack conflict against the left breast to be operated: a pleuro-mesothelioma of the left plura.
  4. A death-fright conflict: pulmonary circular foci (adeno-carcinoma)
With knowledge of German New Medicine, patients can understand what is happening to them and their bodies, so won't panic and as a result won't develop secondary carcinomas and will, in most cases, be able to survive. This is what I find so freeing about Dr Hamer's work. There is nothing to fear when you understand that all disease is a special program of nature. I am not saying therapies aren't worthwhile, although I am saying chemo and radiation are, to get through the healing phase, but the main aim of therapy should be to eliminate a patient's panic and with a knowledge of German New Medicine this is a given.
 

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Morphine is a death sentance. It alters the entire brain, diminishes patient moral and closes down the intestines. Basically, as more and more morphine is needed, so the patient's will power shuts down and they end up being "put to sleep".

OMG!! OMG!!
: I feel sick. That is really *%$#'d up. I can't believe I missed that! of course it's so obvious. Both of my grandfathers died that way, one had cancer, the other varicees. But it was the morphine. Oh yeah, it was the morphine. Man ... (snort) ... (growl)
I really need to go and pray and calm down or something. That is murder plain and simple.
 

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Dr Hamer has a five year cure rate of 92 percent which is way, way higher than mainstream medicine which can only boast 4 in 10 terminal cancer sufferers alive after five years.
This is incorrect.

- From the American Cancer Society: Overall, 99% of men diagnosed with prostate cancer survive at least five years. Further, 92% survive at least 10 years, and 61% survive at least 15 years.

- From the American Cancer Society: Colon cancer: The 5-year survival rate is 90% for people whose colon cancer is found and treated at an early stage, before it has spread. But because many people are not being tested, only 39% of colon cancers are found at that early stage. Once the cancer has spread to nearby organs or lymph nodes, the 5-year survival rate goes down to 68%. For people whose colon cancer has spread to distant parts of the body, such as the liver or lungs, the 5-year survival rate is about 10%."]Colon cancer.

- From the American Cancer Society: Stomach cancer: The overall 5-year relative survival rate of all people with stomach cancer in the United States is about 24%. This survival rate has improved only slightly in the last 20 years. One reason for this is that most stomach cancers in the United States are diagnosed at an advanced rather than an early stage. The stage (extent) of the cancer has a major effect on a patient's prognosis (outlook for survival).

- From the American Cancer Society: Study Finds Equal Cure Rates Among Black, White Children with Leukemia
Doctors from St. Jude Children's Hospital report that their treatment for acute lymphoblastic leukemia cures as many African American children as white children. In their article, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Vol. 290, No. 15: 2001-2007) they report a cure rate of around 80% for both groups.

- From the American Cancer Society: Leukemia - AML: The cure rate for AML (with standard chemotherapy) is 40% to 50%. Treatment of AML with stem cell transplantation from a brother or sister with a compatible tissue type produces a higher cure rate of 55% to 60%.

- From University of Maryland Medical Center: Myeloproliferative disorders
The survival rate for myeloproliferative disorders varies, depending on both the type of disorder and the kind of symptoms experienced by each individual. Very serious cases, such as primary myelofibrosis, may be fatal within 3 - 6 years. Individuals with CML have a median survival rate of 4 - 5 years after diagnosis. If CML transforms into acute leukemia, however, the median survival rate is only 3 months. Those with other types of myeloproliferative disorders can live much longer, especially if they are diagnosed early. Individuals with primary thrombocythemia have a near normal life expectancy with only a low risk of developing cancer. Polycythemia vera has a survival rate of between 10 - 20 years, with the longest survival occurring in the younger age groups.

- From the American Cancer Society: Breast cancer survival by stages
Stage 5-year RelativeSurvival Rate
0 100%
I 100%
IIA 92%
IIB 81%
IIIA 67%
IIIB 54%
IV 20%

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He has also shown there is no such thing as metastases which he describes as an unproven and unprovable hypothesis. According to Dr Hamer, to this day, there has never been a single observation of a cancerous cell in the arterial blood of a cancer patient. If cancer cells could swim to distant organs, they would have to do it in the arterial blood stream because venous and lymphatic vessels only run to the heart.
Lymph, the fluid in the lymphatic system, is a filtrate of blood. It is not kept seperate from blood. So it doesn't matter that lymphatic vessels don't run to the hreat. Veins do NOT run only to the heart. They are in evvery organ, draining the arterial blood so it can go back to the heart and lungs. Lastly, there are plenty of observations of metastasis via arterial blood and other fluid. Here are some links to pics: metastatic transitional cell carcinoma within small arteries, metastatic papillary adenocarcinoma to pleural Fluid, metastatic cells from the ascites of a man with metastatic colon cancer,

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There is no way I would subject myself to radiation because it is based on the theory that symptoms need to be eliminated to prevent metastases.
Radiation is not used to eliminate symptoms. It is used to kill cancer cells. This may provide symptom relief or elimination, but the goal is to kill the cancerous cells.

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Chemo is the biggest fraud in the history of medicine. On tumors controlled by the brain stem it only accelerates cancer growth because the it amplifies the conflict active stage of the cancer. With cancer's controlled by the cerebrum, it is interrups the healing process and the so-called successes are the result of prevention of the healing of cancers.
How can the brain stem or cerebrum? What is the biomechanical process behind this?

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Basically, as more and more morphine is needed, so the patient's will power shuts down and they end up being "put to sleep".
I volunteered for hospice and a cancer ward for years and am currently a MD. Morphine tolerance is a definite problem, but it can be lessened with careful titration. If high-levels of morphiine are not working, other drugs and modalities are tried. Patients aren't simpyl "put to sleep".
 

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Uccomama, I read some of the English websight on the New Medicine. It was very interesting and pretty much coincided with what I already believe regarding disease and health. The only thing that confuses me is where he places the role of nutrition and toxins in his theory.

I use several types of energetic medicine. I believe they work because of the emotional/energetic origin of most illnesses. Homeopathics work to change the body's energetic signature. I also use EFT, which uses specific acupressure points at the same time that someone states something which is causing them emotional pain. It works. I don't know exactly how, but the New Medicine theory seems to get to the root of why these techniques work.

I'll have to read more before I know what my final opinion will be on the New Medicine. But I do know that I do not fear cancer as I once did. I know there are many therapies that are much more effective for cancer than the orthodox ones.

What's sad is that what most people see with cancer and alternative medicine is the tragic results of someone who the mainstream medical community has given up on who then tries some kind of alternative therapy as a last ditch effort which is just not effective enough to deal with terminal cancer. There is so much misinformation and so little truth. But there are highly effective natural treatments out there. Especially for people who make a well researched decision on an effective natural treatment before the cancer has become terminal.
 

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Crisstiana, I don't know how true the Uccumama's quotes are since I haven't researched the theory she's espousing very far. Some of it does sound strange to me.

I know conventional cancer therapy can put cancer in remission. But I'm interested in finding therapies that do not just put cancer in remission, but totally cure it. That's why I started this thread. I believe there are therapies out there that not only do no damage to the body, but are also highly effective at ridding the body of cancer. I'm not just talking about therapies that supposedly boost the immune system, but also ones that actually kill cancer cells.

The links I provided above will probably sound extremely inflamatory to you as a doctor, but I think the articles express some of the frustration people feel at the limited number of treatment choices there are for cancer in mainstream medicine. Many of us are very concerned about the influence that large pharmaceutical corporations have on the choices we are given as to cancer treatments. I'm also concerned about the way the American Cancer society suppresses treatments and information about treatments other than those approved by the FDA when there is clear evidence that many of these alternative treatments work very well.
 

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The links I provided above will probably sound extremely inflamatory to you as a doctor, but I think the articles express some of the frustration people feel at the limited number of treatment choices there are for cancer in mainstream medicine. Many of us are very concerned about the influence that large pharmaceutical corporations have on the choices we are given as to cancer treatments. I'm also concerned about the way the American Cancer society suppresses treatments and information about treatments other than those approved by the FDA when there is clear evidence that many of these alternative treatments work very well.
I completely understand the frustration about the limited treatment choices regarding most cancers. A very, very dear friend of mine was just diagnosed with metastatic cancer (it is so widespread that they are uncertain as to the primary cancer).

I don't know anything about ACS suppressing treatments or info. My husband is a researcher. and he received grant money to look at the basic science of genetic replication corrections. So I guess I'm biased and uninformed.

As for pharma limiting treatments, I think it would sell whatever works. They are such profit-mongers that I cannot believe they would reject a patentable cure if it was at all effective. And chemo sales go through oncologists - a very weird set-up, IMO.

Unfortunately, when I volunteered in hospice and a cancer ward, I heard many, many sad stories of people who were scammed out of money and extremely precious time due to "alternative" cures. I think people need to be very careful when doing their research.

IMO, we know so little about how to kill cancer cells in a way that will not cause damage, some of it permanent, to healthy tissue in the body. After decades of a "war on cancer", we haven't progressed all that far in terms of basic cancer science. But much of what was posted earlier about extremely low cure rates was incorrect and does a disservice to those looking for reliable information.
 

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PSA to all folks here:

Dr. Hamer writes texts that are virulently anti-semitic and, imo, his actions indicate he might be severely emotionally disturbed individual. His "cure" rates are completely self-reported and do not explain the numerous lawsuits, criminal and civil, he is fighting even as we speak. There is a ton of peer-reviewed research on alternative homeopathic/natural cancer treatments, if you're interested. Many can be found at NEJM or other medical journals.

Interesting, Hamer came up with his "theories" after the tragic death of his own son, which admittedly could throw anyone into madness, but I, for one, would be very wary of signing on to any theory espoused by who espouses, imo, the evil of racism. I seriously doubt that "the answer" is given to someone who seems to have taken his own tragedy and turned it into an excuse to villify an entire race.
 

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I would definately do an agressive natural program of diet, supplements, relaxation, prayer, ect......I would have to know all the factors (my age , the type, what stage) before deciding if I should add chemo/radiation to that.

To OP: That is interesting about the Gerson therapy. I have read great things about that. There is some interesting info out there on vit C cures too. My aunt told me recently aboout a 50 year old woman she knew who was sent home to die from cancer and she went to a clinic that administers IV vit C in high doses and she is still alive years later.
 

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Crisstina we will continue to debate this arugment ad infinitum and I won't go there, I have a brick wall here in my room I could do that with. Your cancer stats are from the American Cancer Socitey which is an organization I have very little trust in, they are political whatever you say, they are bought and paid for by pharma corporations.

The pics to posted, are they from primary, verified sources? Show me the research that has isloated and proved that cancer cells can transform from one cell type to another while traveling through the blood. How does a colon cancr cell that forms a cauliflower-shaped compact tumor in the colon (controlled by the endoderm according to the rules of GNM) travel to the bones (controlled by the mesoderm) when the cells now cause loss of the bone tissue?

The justification for radiation therapy is meaningless when you understand that there is no such thing as metastases.

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Embriology. You obviously haven't lowered yourself to read what Dr Hamer has discovered or you wouldn't have asked this question.

The biological conflict determines at the moment of the DHS the unexpected shock leaves a mark in the brain which is visible on a CT. The Foci (termed by Dr Hamer as a Hamerscher Herd) looks like a set of concentric rings, similar to a stone on water. The shock also determins which part of the brain and there for organ will be affected.

Disease (or special programs) of the inner germ layer or endoderm are all controlled by the brain-steam, they begin dorsally on the right with diseases of the mouth and the nasophryngeal space and then continue in a counterclockwise direction along the gastro-intestinal tract, ending with the sigma and bladder carcinoma in the left dorsal portion of the brain-steam. The conflicts are similar in that they are concerned with getting the morsel, swollowing it, transporting it, digesting it and eventually eliminating it. All carcinomas are adeno-carcinomas, they grow in the conflict active phase by cell multiplication and are decomposed by fungi or myco-bacteria in the healing phase. Knowing that in the healing phase these carcinomas will naturally destruct provided there is a conflict resolution makes surgery superfluous.

Here is an example that Dr Hamer uses for an archaic *morsel* conflict: "a patient wins the lottery but is unable to collect his winnings, the win should be imagined as a morsel that the patient has put in his mouth but cannot swallow; as a result he develops an adeno-carcinoma of the gums". An animal would only get an adeno-carcinoma of the gums if it were unable to swallow a morsel of real food.

Conflicts and organs of the cerebellum include those affecting the breast gland tissue, pluera and peritoneum, pericardium, corium skin. The mesodermal cerebral medulla would be cranium, arms cervical spine, shoulders, throracic spine, lumbar spine, pelvis, knee, foot, testicles and ovaries. Disease of the outer germ layer (ectoderm) can be divided into cancer and cancer-equivlent diseases. As with mesodermal organs controlled by the cerebral medulla which makes holes, necroses, ostelyses, lymph-node necroses, ovarial necroses and kidney necroses in the conflict active phase, all squamous epithelia and mucus membranes develop ulces in the conflict-active stage, and tissue loss. In conflict resolution, the lost tissue and ulcers are rebuilt with new cells, under acute swelling. This is what is assumed to be malignant tumors.

It is really too vast a subject to go into in a post, but I hope this has made some sense.
 

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As for pharma limiting treatments, I think it would sell whatever works. They are such profit-mongers that I cannot believe they would reject a patentable cure if it was at all effective. And chemo sales go through oncologists - a very weird set-up, IMO.

They sell whatever they can sell. The American Cancer Society has done much to assist them in this area, by suppressing alternative treatments and therapies.
 
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