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What would you do in this situation, happening right now

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So,

DS 19 months just grabbed a bag of tortilla chips from the counter and proceeded to bring them into the room where I am (like 5 feet away from the kitchen where he is and i can see him the whole time). He looks at me with a mischevious grin as if to say, i'm going to do something crazy. I say to him, "go ahead you can eat a chip" and then stand up and walk over to him to help him get it and/or prevent an accidental spill. Well on my way over (think like three steps). DS dumps entire bag (brand new practicaly all over the floor.

What do you do next?

I'll tell you what I did, although it's not very successful so far...

I said, "Oh, no thank you. We don't want to spill chips on the floor. Here, please help me pick them up."

I bend down to model picking them up. DS laughs histarically and continues to stomp the chips smaller and smaller. I ask him to get me the bag...he does. I ask him to put chips in, he puts in 3 and then wants to hold the bag...so i say 'Okay you may hold the bag, keep putting in more chips." so he proceeds to dump the chips hejust picked up back out again.

And now, there are still chips everywhere...

what is the RIGHT THING to do?

I know that he thought it was fun and wans't trying to do it to bother me, but i also want him to learn he needs to help clean up his messes (seems logical to me). How can i convince him to help?

I am not okay with yelling/threatening or bribing so those options are out...
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Hm, 19 months is pretty young to really learn he needs to clean up. I mean, you are doing the right thing when you're modeling it and asking for his help, but I don't think he's going to *learn it* today. I think you did what you could. If he's just continuing to sabotage your cleaning efforts, I would either clean it so fast that he can't stop me, or move him out of the way so I could finish.
you did a great job so far!!
explain to him that you don't treat food that way, that it is very wasteful to break them because they can not be eaten anymore. I usually tell my daughter that, if she is going to waste food, she can only have a small portion in a bowl the next time & no refill, so she knows that if she steps on something & can not eat it , it is her loss.
(it happens a lot with popcorn around here)

but,really,well done!
You clean it up. And next time you don't leave chips with in reach, and you have a big black binder clip that you keep them closed with. If he does grab them and you see him, you get up right then and head over. If you don't make it before he turns the bag over, you have sturdy clip on them that he can't undo. And if he does undo it (and you haven't made it to him yet to take the bag) you say "hold on, mama will help you". And if after all that preventative stuff he still dumps the bag, then you clean it up.
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and then maybe find something that he can dump out of a bag that won't make a big mess (blocks,toys...)
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Lina already gets this look on her face that I know means I'm going to have to redirect her and find her a safe way to honor her impulse. (Usually guiding her hand to *gently* pet the kitty.
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Originally Posted by txgal View Post
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and then maybe find something that he can dump out of a bag that won't make a big mess (blocks,toys...)
or dried beans (big ones - like lima beans and kidney beans) - I have them in old butter tubs and we have scoops and cups we like to dump/pour/ etc them in - all over the place! hehe

We try and live consensually... I do not use force or punishments or bribes or coercion - etc (and at the end of the day, you cant make anyone do anything without such tactics)... If I want something cleaned up, I clean it up. My son is pretty OCD like me, so he is a pretty tidy kid despite his young age. But I look after other children as well who are not as tidy and have no interest in being so. So I say - if you want it done, do it! If I want somethin cleaned up, I do it. If my son helps - great! If he doesn't ...his choice! Who wanted it done in the first place? (usually me...so get off my bum and do it! - This also models something to our children I feel!) Now, I have heard people on here say 'well I don't want to play maid all day long' ...but perhaps our children don't want to play slave all day long either (childs point of view: You want it done mum, so you do it!). Your son is young. He will learn by you modeling. I say - clean more (just to emphasise hehe)! I am always cleaning. The bathroom, dusting the living room, doing the laundry, I always wash the dishes after we have eaten...etc. My DS sees me clean and tidy and organise a lot. Its part of our life! ...including his. If he just was not a tidy person ( possible to happen - I am married to my DH after all
hehe)...then I would work around that. I dont mind cleaning if I want something cleaned (I am a get it one if it needs doing - dont hold off another day kind of girl!). If I feel I need a break, I lower my standards or find a consensual solution around it. At this age, prevention is a pretty good solution. Not that is should matter what I think, but I think you handled that pretty well!
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I think you made the whole chip dumping incident extremely entertaining, which will not discourage him from doing it again.

After the chips spilled, I would have matter-of-factly said "whoops, they spilled", moved him out of the way and cleaned it up myself, then just gone on to another activity.

I think 19 months is a little too young to expect cleanup help of this nature.
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Originally Posted by reezley View Post
Hm, 19 months is pretty young to really learn he needs to clean up. I mean, you are doing the right thing when you're modeling it and asking for his help, but I don't think he's going to *learn it* today. I think you did what you could. If he's just continuing to sabotage your cleaning efforts, I would either clean it so fast that he can't stop me, or move him out of the way so I could finish.
I agree with her. I think consistency and practice are key, though. My 17-month-old associates the "Clean Up" song with cleaning up time, so whenever I want her to help clean up, I clean up and sing the song the whole time I'm cleaning. The learning is very gradual. A month ago, she sang along and watched me clean up. Now, she sings and puts about 3 toys away while I do the rest. It's progress. Eventually, she'll hopefully do it all herself (or with the help of big sister
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So, to answer your question, I think I would have sung the "Clean Up" song while cleaning up the chips myself (very rapidly of course).

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I think attention span at that age wouldn't be long enough for the play-by-play clean up.
A 'you hold the dust pan while I sweep them in' might have been faster.
And then of course remove them and not risk a redump.
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I said, "Oh, no thank you. We don't want to spill chips on the floor. Here, please help me pick them up."
Well, my first comment is that I've never understood why parents say, "No thank you" when that's not what they reall mean. To me, it always seems to give a very ambiguous message. That's what we say when someone offers us something, and offering things is usually a generous thing that we appreciate, so why use that phrase when a child has done something you don't want him to do? I think it can be confusing for kids. If what you want to say is that it's not okay to spill chips or please don't dump food on the floor, then say that! (Sorry, got a little sidetracked on this issue!)

Other than that, I think, yeah, you have to clean it up. I think you did help it become kind of a game for him. Once he started stomping on the chips, I'd have moved him to a spot (pack and play, high chair, other side of a gate, his room) where he wouldn't be making the mess worse and getting fun out of it. It wouldn't be a punitive thing - just practical - if he can't keep from stepping on them, then he needs to go somewhere else so you can clean it up.
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Once he started stomping on the chips, I'd have moved him to a spot (pack and play, high chair, other side of a gate, his room) where he wouldn't be making the mess worse and getting fun out of it. It wouldn't be a punitive thing - just practical - if he can't keep from stepping on them, then he needs to go somewhere else so you can clean it up.
yep. i'd ask DD to help me clean up (uh-oh! we spilled the chips. let's clean those up!) , but if it became clear she couldn't/wouldn't, i would move her aside so i could clean it up without interference. she likes to stomp on spilled crackers and stuff, and it makes it really hard to clean up. dora comes in real handy at these times--i can sit her down in front of the tv and sweep up
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I think your response was completely appropriate. My DS will be 20 months at the end of this month and will occasionally help me put stuff back that he has torn down/thrown/broken when I ask and he has limited verbal (expressive) skills so IMO its not too much to ask. And I don't DEMAND that he clean it up. I ask, encourage, model how we clean it up and if he doesn't or makes it worse I move him and clean it up but don't make a big deal out of it because A) He's so young B) If I get worked up about it, he is much more likely to shut down and stop listening anyway. I think it just takes practice for them to understand messes, and that they have to clean them up if they create them, because they are just testing physics and are like "Woo! Isn't it cool to pour chips out and watch them fall and then crunch them under my foot! It's the best." and don't realize chips can stain the carpet, its not fun to step on crumbs, or when you pour chips on the floor you can't eat them (after 5 min of course)
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DS has a penchant for throwing dry cat food like it's confetti so we do this pretty regularly.

He's almost 16 months and does not have the attention span to help me pick up a million pieces of cat food so I calmly say "I need to pick up the cat food so you need to wait outside the kitchen" and put him on the other side of the gate (I've tried doing it with him in the kitchen, it does not work) Then I talk about the cleaning up while I'm doing it. If he drops or spills a single thing I involve him in the clean up but sweeping up cat food (or picking up tortilla chips) is WAY too much fun at that age for them to be any help.
I would tell him that food is not for dumping on the floor and ask him to help clean up (though I wouldn't push it because of his age). I would not let him hold the bag again, and I would clean up the rest of the chips as quickly as possible. I would tell him that I don't enjoy picking up food off the floor, but that it is fun to dump, sort, and organize toys instead.

Then I'd ask him to help me fill a bag/box/bin of things that are "yes dump" and show him your awesome new dumping game.

As far as I can tell, emptying containers stays fun for a very long time. At almost 3 my son still tosses everything out of his toy box at least once/day (although now it's so that he can climb in and be in a submarine).
I think you did a great job too!!! Thats really young to learn a lesson BUT youre setting great groundwork.

Also, what kid would be able to control themselves in that situation?!
I was giggling when i read this because I thought of lo having SO much fun crunching!

Keep up the amazing work!!!!
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I think the way you handled it was great. I probably would have said "Oh honey, chips don't go on the floor. Let's clean it up." and then started to clean up. DD has hit a stage where she likes to help me clean up her messes so she would probably join in, but I wouldn't try to force it. I don't know if that is normal or if I am lucky she thinks its fun to copy mommy
DD is forever dropping her food on the floor. If it as at mealtimes, I will tell her to let us know "no more" (with hand signals) and if she continues I will take the bowl/plate away. I usually will give her a towel to help clean up her spills or let her help me sweep up crumbs so this is something we do a lot together.
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I would have him put the chips into the bag while I held it for him. I wouldnt make him do every last chip because at that age their attention span is there. As long as he made a good effort I would finish it up. But yes at 19 months he is old enough to pick up chips at your direction and put them in a bag. I make DS (who is now 23 mos) pick up after himself all the time.
At that age I learned to assume ds would do something like dump out the chips and jump on them. That is just what some toddlers do--it is a very impulsive age. 99% of the time I could anticipate and prevent that kind of waste. Chip clips, putting things out of reach, only leaving toddler sized portions where he could get them etc. usually worked. When he did go for something like a full open bag of chips I went straight over and held them tight so he couldn't dump--then might have asked him to take out a handful, and then put the bag away while he was munching.
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