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I'm curious to know what's so bad about tv if it's only approved movies and nothing more.<br><br>
We watch things like Little House and Heidi and Anne of Green Gables and occasionally something else.<br><br>
It doesn't affect dd's attention. She is almost 3 and has the vocabulary and imagination of a 5 year old. She never watched movies until she was almost 1 and teething badly and it was the only thing that got her to sleep on a few very rare occasions. She never watched more than 1/2 hr per week til she was well over 2 yrs old. I've read studies saying it's bad before 2 and it can increase ADD and all that, but dd is very ahead for her age verbally and with attention etc. She was signing a ton of stuff by 7 or 8 mos old, talking early etc<br><br>
She does occasionally pretend things from what she sees. She pretended all last week that she was Peter or Heidi (from Heidi) and that she had a baby goat. She made up elaborate stories about the baby goat - none of which was even remotely associated with the movie. The goat and Peter (or Heidi) were completely imaginary in her play.<br><br>
As for Little House, she likes to pretend that she is going to school and she uses a piece of stone for a slate and a stick for a pencil.<br><br>
If she only pretended things from movies, I'd be concerned, but she pretends entire elaborate things all the time. Today she had the contents of the pencil mug and various paper clips were hedgehogs and houses and all sorts of things. She can be occupied with something like that for an hour easily.<br><br>
So since it's obviously not hurting her attention or imagination and we aren't watching Disney and commercials or commercial characters or obnoxious, fast paced things, what's wrong with it? Am I missing something? At most, we watch 45 min a day. It's more like 45 min 3 days per week.<br><br>
To give you an idea of her vocabulary, she told me the other day that someone wrote her a note and it said "My dear precious, I wish to buy you a toy, but I can't". Keep in mind that she's not yet even 3 !! Or she will ask "Mommy, can we go down to the Laughing Brook and fetch some water for the dog?"<br><br>
We spend tons of time outdoors; she gets tons of exercise etc. Am I missing something? What's wrong with tv in moderation with carefully chosen movies only?
 

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I'm so glad I'm not the only one. My kids are Waldorf and we watch TV (not much), mostly they like to watch animal documentaries or art (how to) programs. Sometimes we watch films, we just watched Charlottes web the other night...they loved it.<br>
They don't have any character toys and their play hardly ever revolves around what they watch. Like you we spend a ton of time outside, doing the garden, painting etc and my DS goes to nursery every afternoon.<br><br>
I think TV can become addictive if used as babysitter and the kids do little else, everything in moderation, IMO. Saying that we do watch more when they are ill, my DD was in hospital a couple of months back, and she watched quite a bit, I was very thankful for the TV then as she was too poorly to get out of bed and play and too young to read, so certainly TV has its place.
 

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No, you are definitely not the only ones. In my daughter's class of 14 children, she is the only one that is screen free. I can't even think of another child off hand that we know we is screen free.<br><br>
I have lots of reasons for not allowing TV in my daughter's life, which is discussed on this thread:<br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=916654" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=916654</a><br><br>
I have seen her friends behaviour change due to television viewing. One friend in particular comes to our place a couple of times a week and I can immediately tell if he has been watching TV before coming over as his behaviour is very different.<br><br>
Regardless of all my reasons for feeling like TV is a bad thing for us, I certainly don't judge other people for it. It sounds like you have reasons that are valid to you and you are happy with things the way they are and that's what's important. If it works for you and you feel good about it, more power to you.
 

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Sounds like you have it well under control within your family life.<br><br>
I'd still read Marie Winn's book, the Plug-In Drug, just to get some sense of the less obvious problems.<br><br>
I wouldn't connect the precocious language capacities with the TV, though. My granddaughter was very good with language at an early age, too, without any TV. Her brother, also very bright, was much slower with learning to talk and with mastering language.<br><br>
When it comes to children there is a lot of normal variation. Just enjoy!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I wouldn't connect the precocious language capacities with the TV, though. My granddaughter was very good with language at an early age, too, without any TV. Her brother, also very bright, was much slower with learning to talk and with mastering language.</div>
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I had the impression that OP was just saying that even though her dd watches tv a little, there are no obvious attention difficulties that are impacting her learning. I dont think that she was saying it was <i>because</i> of tv that her daughter has strong language abilities. I may have misinterpreted, though... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I wouldn't connect the precocious language capacities with the TV, though. My granddaughter was very good with language at an early age, too, without any TV. Her brother, also very bright, was much slower with learning to talk and with mastering language.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I had the impression that OP was just saying that even though her dd watches tv a little, there are no obvious attention difficulties that are impacting her learning. I dont think that she was saying it was <i>because</i> of tv that her daughter has strong language abilities. I may have misinterpreted, though... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I didn't read it as implying that the TV was helpful in the language department either but rather despite it if you will.<br><br>
However, I do find that subject interesting as you always hear people who claim that the TV actually does help kids to learn. This is specifically a hot topic around the Baby Einstein (and like) products.<br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/01/AR2006050101372.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050101372.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1650352,00.html?cnn=yes" target="_blank">http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...0.html?cnn=yes</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I didn't read it as implying that the TV was helpful in the language department either but rather despite it if you will.<br><br>
However, I do find that subject interesting as you always hear people who claim that the TV actually does help kids to learn. This is specifically a hot topic around the Baby Einstein (and like) products.<br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/01/AR2006050101372.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050101372.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1650352,00.html?cnn=yes" target="_blank">http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...0.html?cnn=yes</a></div>
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I always find it interesting when people claim that too.<br>
Personally I know TV can be used in moderation and not have to many dementual effects with some kids but some kids are more influenced by it more then others. For example my brother would see something once in a great while when he was little and we would hear about it for 6 months or more. He had a real hard time processing televsion.
 

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Yeah - I was saying that she has good language skills *despite* the bits of tv she sees - by no means because of it!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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What's ahriman ???
 

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If you're able to keep it very, very limited, and if you're not finding it interfere in any way whatsoever, and if and if and if everything is just perfect.........you're lucky.<br><br>
All I can say is I don't know a lot of parents (can't name any) who don't curse the stupid TV 10,000 times at least by the time their child graduates high school, and that's including the parents I know who don't think anything should be wrong with limited viewing. Unfortunately, while maybe there shouldn't be anything wrong with it, and limited viewing sounds so easy to accomplish, it doesn't work out that way too much of the time.<br><br>
We all end up kinda get sucked in by it, don't we? (Spoken by a woman still mad at herself for wasting so many hours from the finite lifetime set we're each given on the lamest basketball play ever watching this year's NBA championship series)
 

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Sorry I misunderstood!<br><br>
My daughter has a TV, but it has no TV reception, so it is video, only. Videos are for the grown-ups, although my gd saw her first at age 8, The Sound of Music. I don't think she has seen another one since then. Her little brother, at almost 5, has never watched TV or a video.<br><br>
My experience matches Linda's--that managing a moderate amount of TV is very challenging.<br><br>
I will say that there are plenty of families who come to my library and check out videos for their children, who seem to be bright, healthy and developing just fine. And other families who don't seem to be interested in the videos, whose children are ditto.<br><br>
My daughter really dislikes TV, so I think she is just pleasing herself, frankly.
 

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we are not a waldorf family - we are not any "type" of family though, except for an attached one... but i honestly cannot see any problem with your set-up at all. we watch tv (well, not tv itself - but rather dvd's) and so my kids do watch a dvd every night. i know there are issues with tv and i wholeheartedly agree that tv can become a huge issue and cause problems for a child (even an adult for that matter). and yes, it is completely passive and so uses the bare minimum of your brain power.. but its also lovely to watch stories as a child too. some of my most favourite memories as a child (apart from *making* all of my toys from scratch on my own) were snuggling up on the couch watching "never ending story" or mickey mouse christmas cartoons. i had an unbelievable imagination as a child (much like the ideal waldorf child would) and i watched A LOT of tv growing up (i can assure you). my dh on the other hand is very left brained and did not even watch a 1/4 of what i did - he was always playing in the backyard. imo, it depends on the child really. some kids imaginations will bloom and flourish regardless of tv watching. some kids on the other hand, need to avoid tv in order to keep the imagination going. you need to decide where your daughter fits on this scale and use the tv for movie-watching according to that.<br>
i am a firm believer in not everything needs to be made up entirely from scratch. we can sit back for a little while everday and fully immerse ourselves in another person's story. this is just my opinion. like everything else, moderation is the key and i think you've got that down pretty well. we will probably continue with one dvd a day as its our only "peace" time but i am working on refining the selection of dvd's (getting rid of all disney and any movies that glamourise materialism like A&the chipmunks etc). thankfully our almost 4 year old doesn't really care when a dvd goes missing and we can fix our dvd issue before our 19mo is old enough to care.<br>
what is heidi? we have all of anne of green gables and the girls are really fascinated with it when its on for them but the problem is the movies go for soooo long and i cant just cut them short at 60 minutes without a huge tantrum and bad end to the night. do you have any good ideas for gentle, classic kids shows?
 

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This is precisely the kind of thing that got me far away from anthroposophy... I'm not sure what you mean by Ahriman being in the TV, but the whole obsession with classifying experiences/things/trends/etc as being essentially Ahrimanic and Luciferic in nature was a bit over the top for me.... I don't think you have to go <i>there</i> in order to not have a TV in your house... but that is just my opinion<br><br>
My LO is still a wee one, and I am gonna have my hands full keeping him away from a TV with IL's being complete TV/computer junkies... I keep telling them I didn't have a TV until I was 12 and I think I turned out just fine...<br>
But I do honestly think that each family has to decide what is best for them, making an INFORMED decision, as with all issues that affect our children
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is precisely the kind of thing that got me far away from anthroposophy... I'm not sure what you mean by Ahriman being in the TV, but the whole obsession with classifying experiences/things/trends/etc as being essentially Ahrimanic and Luciferic in nature was a bit over the top for me.... I don't think you have to go <i>there</i> in order to not have a TV in your house... but that is just my opinion</div>
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Yes well, I believe that the person who posted that was trying to stir the pot rather than being serious.
 

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I'm sure of it (pot-stirring)!
 

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I didn't mean to be disrespectful... I just do get really angry when I hear people who have learnt some new words and try to bring them into conversation without really having a clue what they are talking about.... My parents are anthroposophists and would never in a million years say that Ahriman is in the TV therefore don't have one.... they would say that it is best not to have small kids in front of the TV and would try to explain from as many different perspectives as they could (based on common sense, not esoteric ideas)<br><br>
Anyway, I am sure there are mamas here who are better informed as to why TV is not such a good idea - I know I am wanting to cut it out... but also not wanting this to be an almighty flashpoint in my parenting. Am slowly campaigning at least for the cables to go...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I didn't mean to be disrespectful... I just do get really angry when I hear people who have learnt some new words and try to bring them into conversation without really having a clue what they are talking about.... My parents are anthroposophists and would never in a million years say that Ahriman is in the TV therefore don't have one.... they would say that it is best not to have small kids in front of the TV and would try to explain from as many different perspectives as they could (based on common sense, not esoteric ideas)</div>
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We weren't referring to you as stirring the pot!<br>
I thought your post was very respectful and well thought out.
 
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