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Ok, so a few weeks ago, I decided to become a veg.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/joy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="joy">: I'm really excited and trying very hard to find new and creative things to eat. My goal is to become vegan though that may be a long way off (I love cheese!).<br><br>
I'm just wondering when meats start to gross me out? I always hear veg's say the thought makes them gag, but not me. I want it SO BAD!!! I have to really really actively control myself from not eating it. I know it's healthier, I know it's better for the animals, environment, ect. But man, it's hard!<br><br>
Oh, and I'm venturing out into the fake meat aisle, but I'm not crazy about most stuff I've tried. It's kinda gross.
 

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Add me to those that never liked it. It was a gradual process for me, and it wasn't something I really did with intent at first. However, the more I learn there is no going back. Going vegan was what I felt I needed to do for a variety of reasons, mostly because dairy cows are treated horrible too, and egg laying chickens <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Awful.<br><br>
For me, I just do not see animals as food, they are sentient beings with feelings. I look at my dog and think, there is no way I would eat her, no way I would eat any animal.<br><br>
Have you read the big animal rights books? Are you open to listening to podcasts? I really like Compassionate Cooks podcast, she really is not afraid to speak in depth about treatment of animals but she also covers great vegan food.
 

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Curly Mint, thanks! I'm definitely open to learning as much as possible. I figure the more ammunition I have, the more meat and chicken will seem gross and the easier it will get! I know that vegan is the healthiest way. I am definitely trying to get there. For now, I am slowly switching from organic milk to rice milk, and we are buying our eggs from a local, organic, free range farm. We get to go gather our own eggs, and see the living conditions of the chickens, so it's something we are comfortable with. Cheese is going to do me in. I just love the stuff. I am trying to buy organically as much as possible, but it gets pretty pricey. Hopefully soon I will be able to just do without. What are some of the books I should look into?
 

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I agree that the more you read about animal rights the less appealing eating meat seems.<br><br>
Personally, I <i>did</i> like the taste of meat very much and gave it up despite that because I thought it was unethical, unhealthy, unsustainable, etc. I still miss those flavors in a way, but in learning to cook tasty, vegan meals for myself I've developed a whole new slew of cravings (fried tofu... seitan phillys... roasted asparagus... I could go on). For me, finding out how good vegan food can taste (thank you, Vegan With A Vengeance) is what made the transition possible, dare I say easy.
 

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It was a gradual process for me, so I'm not really sure when it totally stopped. I think within a couple of years most of the cravings were done. One thing that helped get through them was to remind myself of my reasons for being vegetarian.
 

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I became veggie two years ago this week. At first it was pretty easy for me and I felt so much better almost immediately. But now the health effects are not as good as they once were, it's becoming harder and harder to remain true to my convictions. I know part of the reason the health effects are not there is that I am eating more and more junk food. My husband is becoming more and more resistant to eating veggie food so we eat junk instead. (Lots of veggie burgers, veggie dogs, frozen dinners, stuff like that.) I'm finding cravings coming back now that I didn't have in the beginning. He made polish sausage on the grill the other day and it just smelled so much better than my veggie dog. So far I've been able to resist those cravings by reminding myself why I became veggie in the first place and reminding myself of how the animals are treated. So far I'm still winning out, but there are days when I just want to chuck the whole thing and eat what he eats.<br><br>
I think the main thing to keep going through the cravings is to just keep reminding yourself why you're doing this. Remind yourself how much better you feel and look. Also what it's doing for the environment.<br><br>
Hope this helps a bit.<br><br>
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There seems to be two issues here- the cravings, and like/dislike of meat.<br><br>
I like meat. It's not gross to me. But it's not good for my mental well being. I know what happens to produce that meat, and I don't want to be a part of it. I know that meat contributes to food shortages, and I find that so incredibly sad.<br>
(ftr We are not veg, we eat fish, and whatever is served when we visit others.)<br><br>
But I don't crave meat anymore. I have a lot of vegan recipes that I really like, and that my dp and ds really like. It's been a while, and I rarely deprive myself of something that I want. It's been a long while since I've wanted meat at all.<br><br>
As far as dairy, I always loved sour cream and cream cheese. Cheese, I can take it or leave it. But the others... We buy dairy very infrequently, only when someone really wants it.<br>
I had sour cream a few weeks ago, and I found it quite bland. I decided that avocado had the same creamy effect with a much better flavor.
 

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In nearly fifteen years of vegetarianism and sometimes veganism, I never lost my cravings. The smell of bacon or sausage would make my mouth water right up to the end, and whenever I got ill I craved chicken noodle soup like a madwoman. Oh, and the smell when I passed KFC...
 

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Me too -- I have been a vegetarian for 14 years nearly and the smell of bacon is still appealing to me, even though I hate that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
My advice, try to avoid veggie "meats" and don't get caught in the massive carb overload trap (you'll get big like me!) of bread, pasta, rice etc to make up for the meat. The veggie "meats" are good once in a while in a recipe or whatever, but most of them are sooooo processed you may as well be eating meat.<br><br>
Personally, I have changed my perspective on a vegan diet -- for <i>me</i>, that wouldn't be healthy -- so I just try to ensure the integrity of my dairy -- which of course, is not always possible but at least it is something. I figure, I would rather do something than nothing and I can't do everything so I do what I can.<br><br>
Try to stick to whole foods, lots of beans, lentils, soy like tofu is good *in moderation* only because of the estrogen properties of soy -- and eggs for protein since you have a great humane, free roaming, organic source -- and like mentioned above, try to avoid the fake "meats" because even though they are vegetarian, they are sooo processed it isn't even funny.<br><br>
We eat a lot of seitan around here ("meat" made from wheat gluten) and as long as no one in your family is gluten intolerant, it is a very high protein food that really resembles the texture and taste of meat if you learn to cook and season it properly -- I will show you how to make it whenever you want! (I know the OP in person for anyone wondering <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)<br><br>
Anyway, call me whenever if you want to chat more about it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I remember having a converation with a cousin of DF's about a year ago, explaining my vegetarianism to her. She was shocked that I wasn't grossed out by meat, I just felt it was wrong to eat it. She was actually a little impressed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
At this point, DF, DS and I have been vegan for almost two months. I really thought that the cravings would be worse. Six months ago, I loved cheese; I loved ice cream. It was definitely those two things that were the most difficult to give up, in theory. But I haven't missed them all that much.<br><br>
A few weeks back, I watched <i>Earthlings</i>, and after that, there was no turning back for me. Consuming animal products just felt so wrong. We had decided that the animal products left in the fridge were fair game until they were gone when we went vegan. Most of them went bad. I couldn't bring myself to eat them, and DF didn't either. At this point, there is one lonely jar of blue cheese dressing left (blue cheese is the thing that I miss the absolute most). I haven't touched it since we made the decision. It hasn't even tempted me. It is very weird.<br><br>
If I crave something, I just try to think back to the part of <i>Earthlings</i> that covered that particular thing. I then realize that my personal enjoyment isn't worth the suffering of the other being, and I go along my merry way. Thinking about how much an animal suffered for my meal takes away the enjoyment of the meal for me.<br><br>
Basically, if I have a craving, I try to think about what would go into satisfying that craving before I do anything about it. Once I do that, whatever it is isn't quite so appealing.
 

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what is it about bacon?? meat actually really disgusts me now, being veg for 10 years, but bacon is the only one that still smells good!<br><br>
anyway, i don't know where you live, but in my opinion the asian groceries seem to do fake meats the best! i was spoiled by living in SF for a while, where there were several. there is still one here in NZ, but 4 hours away so a special trip! but if you live in a city, there could very well be some small asian grocery somewhere that could have really yummy things lurking in their frozen food section.<br><br>
i find that it's the texture i crave rather than meat itself. because really- does meat have much of a taste or is it the texture combined with the way it's cooked & seasoned? i find that a nice, chewy seitan or something similar combined with a sauce i used to eat meat with hits the spot.
 

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Me too..... Ha<br><br><br>
But, as some of pp said, you just remind yourself of what your doing and why. And hang out here for support. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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I don't get why people care about the estrogen in soy when we eat so many estrogen rich foods including other legumes like nuts, as well as eggs, dairy, and meats, even apples have estrogen in them.
 

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Well, because soy has much higher concentrations of estrogen properties <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<a href="http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/20/suppl_5/354S" target="_blank">More here</a> (Although this study seems to be pushing the benefits of soy, I put the source of the fact listed)<br><br>
Yes, other foods have estrogen-like properties but I am not likely to have hidden "apple" as an additive in many of the foods I eat (like soy is). Foods that are organically produced have lower quantaties of estrogen-like properties as well.... In addition, things like plastic, car exhaust, commercial cleaners etc -- all have Xeno estrogens (chemicals that mimic estrogen in the body when the body is exposed to them) -- we are overloaded with estrogen-like chemicals and foods (with soy additives being a big culprit) which is part of the reason why we have 7 year old girls getting their periods and 5 year olds growing breasts -- and why many women suffer from estrogen dominance which does a real number on a woman's system and fertility.<br><br>
I am not blaming soy per se -- but knowing all that, I would advise anyone considering vegetarianism or veganism to consume it very moderately.<br><br>
I think, barring a gluten intolerance or celiac etc, that seitan is a far superior protein for vegans and vegetarians than soy. That is just my opinion though based on many years of research <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years. I never really had cravings for meat, I guess because I never really liked it to begin with, so it was easy to give it up. I find that the things I still crave to this day, and as I am almost vegan will sometimes let the cravings get the better of me is CHEESE!! I have always loved the stuff. The soy cheese is not the same, so I don't use it. I am always in a struggle with myself to leave it alone.
 

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I still crave meat, but it's more the idea of it I think. After about 6 months of being veg, I put a piece of chicken in my mouth, because it sounded so good. I couldn't even swallow it. That was the last time I tried it. I agree with others, too, that if you're having trouble staying strong, read up on animal cruelty, etc. It helps me a lot.<br><br>
Also, try to find something that makes you feel like you're eating meat. For me, I make a pot of barley/rice and lentils. It's so heavy and chewy that it satisfies that craving. Good luck! We're all in this together! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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I became veg at the age of twelve. I didn't like most meats all that much, but I craved pig for a while. That went away after a year or two.<br><br>
I became a vegan a while back (really only a few months), and the craving for cheese has just recently disappeared. Yay!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/energy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Energy">:<br><br>
What did it for me way back when was reading <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDiet-New-America-John-Robbins%2Fdp%2F0915811812%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_sr_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1215553391%26sr%3D1-1" target="_blank"><i>Diet for a New America</i></a> by John Robbins. There was no way I could bring myself to eat animals after reading that.
 

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We became vegetarian almost four years ago after watching Meet Your Meat. I have never had the desire to eat meat again since then.<br><br>
I'm ashamed to say that we became vegan in February and did great until June when we went out to eat. I gave in because of laziness and had dairy in my meal. Since then, laziness has gotten the better of me several more times and we've had some meals with dairy at restaurants. I also bought graham cracker sticks for the boys and they have honey. I can't find vegan and organic graham crackers (preferably in small pieces or shapes) and they love them. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I'm ready to get back on the bandwagon though because I don't feel good about what I'm eating. Restaurants are so hard!
 

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21 days for meat. 3 months for cheese. Yes, that is right, 3 months!!!<br><br>
I would try first to retrain your taste buds. Get back to basics. Beans with rice, simple steamed veggies, etc for at least a week. 5 days at the least. Then your taste buds will be more acclimated to like new vegan foods. Try some recipes from vegweb.com.<br><br>
Try this for bacon:<br><br>
Vegan Bacon<br><br>
Ingredients (use vegan versions):<br><br>
1 lb firm Tofu, cut into strips shaped like bacon<br>
2 tablespoons nutritional yeast<br>
2 tablespoons tamari/shoyu<br>
1 teaspoon Wrights (or other brand) liquid smoke.<br>
1 tablespoon oil (something neutral, not olive or sesame)<br><br>
Directions:<br><br>
Fry tofu strips on low or medium heat until they are crispy on the outside. The best way to do this is to lay them in the pan in the oil and let them sit for at least 10 minutes, simmering. They should turn easily after that. Turn them and give them another 10 minutes on the other side.<br><br>
Mix the tamari/shoyu soy sauce with the liquid smoke first, then take the pan off the heat. Pour the liquid smoke/tamari into the pan and stir the tofu so all sides are coated, then sprinkle the yeast over all, stir some more, over the heat, until the liquid is gone and the tofu is covered with sticky yeast.<br><br>
Try it. It tastes EXACTLY like bacon.<br><br>
Another variation is to marinate the tofu in the tamari/liquid smoke mixture for several hours and then fry, but it misses a little bit without the nutritional yeast.<br><br>
And here is why we may still crave those non vegan foods: (video)<br><br><a href="http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=22585.0" target="_blank">http://vegweb.com/index.php?topic=22585.0</a>
 

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I have never liked it much either. It took one PETA pamphlet to convince me. I have found ways to recreate my favorite dishes using veggies or soy alternatives.
 
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