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Hi Everyone,<br><br>
I'm really frustrated at the moment. On another online forum that I'm involved in someone receintly posted a topic asking specifically for info from Non vaxing parents. Needless to say, within 24 hours it turned into a grand debate of people slamming nonvaxers, and stating their personal opinions of vaccinations. Which is exactly what this poor mom was trying to NOT have happen. So I decided to start a "Vaccination Debate" topic- to take the mess away from her post and put it where it belonged: In a debate!!<br><br>
I opened with my own personal opinion (non-vaxer), posted at least 4-5 links to very good all round info about vaccinations and their risks/ingredients. and added the information I had in my hand from a product monograph for the Hep B vaccine (that I'd gotten from the public health nurse). and then I walked away from it. I had no intention of posting further on the topic (hey! i'd given my opinion, right?), and of course, just like I expected- it turned into a slam fest. I've posted a couple of replys- to the reasonable posts that were genuinely looking for info- but I've just given up now. and judging from the PM's I've received from the non-vaxers on board, they have too.<br><br>
So......do you just not bother opening your mouth? I mean, when I post what <i>I feel</i> is important information - about interventions in childbirth, breastfeeding, vaccinations etc....- I almost always get PM's from people who are affraid to post on the hot topic but want more information, or have questions. So I feel like I've accomplished something, but......<br><br>
I know that everyone has their own opinion, but I get so frustrated with people who slam in the information I've posted when i know- I KNOW that they haven't read a single link to any of the information......<br><br>
So, do you just keep your mouth shut? Or do you keep trying?<br><br>
Dani
 

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I don't even go to forums like that. It's just a waste of my time.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
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I wouldn't do it anymore unless you feel like fighting. Maybe when the thread says something like, "I need help with a vax reaction!" I would try to offer help.<br>
You could also just PM people that have genuine questions about you not vax'ing but, other than that, I try to chat about mainstream things on my mainstream boards.
 

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I just unsubscribed to a local mom group last week because they asked about Vax issue, and I was the only who did not respond -- you can tell why! I wonder if I should have said anything, but I don't think it would have made any difference. I probably would have questioned non-vaxers a couple of years ago. I had to go through my own ordeal to get to where I am today.<br><br>
On another parenting group, one of the moms said that she got others to support AP and no CIO by simply being around her. She said the less she preached, the more they asked, and eventually some adopted her ways.<br><br>
Ok, i'm getting off of my soapbox now and going to go pump some MM.
 

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Yeah, I used to give out vax information on another board, but it was worse than a waste of my time. There are a couple health care workers there, who all vax, so of course it always just turned into a "Well my husband is a doctor and he says..." or "I'm a pediatrician and I believe...." or "I'm a medic in the military and I was taught..." Then they'd say something really stupid like, "You have to treat fevers over 101 to prevent seizures," or "Kids who get Varivax can't EVER get shingles as adults." It's really a waste of time trying to talk to people who refuse to be educated. It just makes you mad and they never change their minds or even come to respect the fact that you have a scientific basis for your opinion.
 

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i dont go to mainstream boards. i think it would really affect my blood pressure and im really trying to be healthy lately. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/truedat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Truedat"> I gave up a while ago. I do read them, but it makes my stomach turn. Once in a while like 2 weeks ago. someone was questioning on a couple different occassions......so I PM'd her. Sh eappears to be very open to hearing . whether she continues to vax or not is yet to be seen.<br><br>
But I avoid the debate threads for sure.....its not worth it for exactly what Plummeting said
 

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I keep trying but I tend to keep it on the side.<br><br>
I can't and won't respond to questions about dealing with vax or circumcision problems because I am too angry but I have had lots of people PM me on mainstream boards asking why I homebirth or don't vax or don't circumcise.<br>
To those people I am always happy to give info.
 

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I think the way you did it was fine. You planted the seeds and you 'watered' the growing ones, kwim? Some seeds take, some don't. But at least you tried. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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Agreeing with the others.<br><br>
If I smell a 'real' opportunity with an individual, then "POOF" I'm an anti-vaxivist.<br><br>
In a situation like you describe, I just try really hard not to even open the thread. Then I do it anyway, it ruins my day, etc.
 

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Funny, I've JUST been through the same thing. I frequent an IVF forum that was a big part of my pregnancy as I was in fertility treatments for years and fortunately with 'my last chance IVF' my cycle was successful and I now have my beautiful daughter. However, I have come across the same firery debate over vaccination. I have stated my position (we don't vax) but play fair and try to respect the decision of others. I figure if I do that then at least we could run a thread of different opinions, different options, different schools of thought to 'open' people's minds. Well, look out! Non vaxers don't stand a chance there. I get slammed every time. Makes me NUTS and just when I think I am going to 'bombard' the thread with a multitude of links I just take a deep breath and figure 'why bother' - they will never listen. They take a road that they think is 'safe' - safe because they have put the vax decision in the hands of their doctor/ped/government and then if anything goes wrong they can blame it on them and not feel guilty for not taking responsibility ('I did what I was told...'). Ugg. You can't believe the things that I have read on that thread - or most likely you can. It's amazing how close minded people can be. I can't even believe people just don't want to know what their babies are having injected into them. I mean, even if you still choose to vax, why wouldn't you want to know?!!! To me the vax decision - researching and making a choice asa parent is probably the biggest decision I will ever make for my child.
 

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Post a suggestion on the board to watch Extreme Home Makeover and see what vaccinations can do to a family. Maybe seeing a whole family of autistic children will make an impression about the side effects of vaccines.<br><br>
Ty Pennington's Extreme Makeover Home Edition will feature a family from Austin, TX who has 5 out of their 6 children with Autism. Two of the children have a severe form of Autism. It will be broadcast on Feb. 18, 2007.
 

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I'm generally concerned about the tone of conversations on blogs and e-mail forums on all topics throughout the internet. It seems as though there are only two modes of conversation: everyone agreeing with each other (hugs) and everyone hating each other (slams). Actual thoughtful exchanges of ideas seem to be rarer and rarer.<br><br>
One of the reasons I'm doubtful about distance education. It is too easy to avoid confronting other ideas when the exchanges go through a screen. In an actual classroom, with real people talking and arguing, the dynamic is different.<br><br>
How many of those pro-vaxers would be that nasty in person? They might be concerned. They might even cut off a friendship and avoid your children for fear of disease? But would they call names? Describe people in degrading terms? Hopefully not.<br><br>
What is being described is mob behavior--attempts at online lynchings of minority opinion. Yuuuuuk!
 

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Well, for me it took one family to help get me started from not questioning vaxes to strongly anti-vax. One seed is all it takes for some people. Sure, you are always going to have your hard heads that will never give in, and never even try to seek out non-spoon-fed information.<br><br>
I personally don't start vaccine threads on other boards, mostly because I'm a whimp, and I don't like confrontations. I wish that discussions like that could stay civil, but they rarely do. sad. But I guess if it is helping some people, in the end it is worth it, right? I guess pms to curious moms is probably the better idea as pp have mentioned.
 

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I don't go to mainstream boards anymore (if I do I don't post) but in my experience it's best to put up your sincere opinion w/ facts if you have them and leave it at that. It's always the quiet people who are thinking and not usually posting...sometimes they'll Pm you or whatever...usually ignorant people who do the slamming and aren't worth your time argueing.
 

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ITA!
 
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