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Imagine your DC is rubbing eyes, yawning, saying "I'm tired", perhaps has even drifted off to sleep for a second only to wake right back up, etc., and yet just can't (or won't) get to sleep but instead gets a second wind.... The heretofore successful bedtime routine is not successful this night, and neither are a host of other attempts to help DC fall asleep. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: How do you handle this at your house?
 

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Uhhh ... it's hard. Dd used to be that way too.<br><br>
I made her bedtime earlier, but she still isn't a great sleeper.
 

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Once the kid is yawning and rubbing their eyes its too late for a routine they are already tired. I have learned the hard way from my now 2.5 year old DS to take seriously doing his routine before he gets tired. At any point if I see yawning, or eye rubbing, we skip steps and move striaght to bed.<br><br>
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I ended up getting rid of one nap and making the last one earlier.<br><br>
Bedtime stayed the same and I just added a white noise which seems to help her drift off to sleep.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm wondering if you're DC is almost over-tired from all that you described. Have you tried an earlier bed time?</div>
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Yup - overtired!
 

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So what to do when the kid wakes up from their nap rubbing their eyes and is basically tired all day?<br><br>
My 5 month old has been sleeping terribly lately - and we've tried everything we can think of. Last night she was up every 45 minutes and at one stretch for probably 2-3 hours. So she's already rubbing her eyes this morning - pretty much from the time she woke up at 6:20. Now she's playing and whining in her crib, but I really need some sleep.<br><br>
But yeah, throughout the day she will rub her eyes all day long and then hates going to sleep. We have a white noise maker in her room, but even so, she fights and fights and fights it.<br><br>
I'm exhausted and completely at a loss here.
 

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just checking in here because like with nylecoj, my DD wakes up from sleep and naps rubbing her eyes. she catnaps for thirty minutes at a time. and at night i have moved her bedtime earlier (5:30!!) and for a couple of weeks it was great. now i think she is in her 4 month sleep regression phase and she catnaps for thirty minutes at bedtime and then i just pick her up and we play until she gets tired again... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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when theat happnes, and we aren't just in the car -- but are home with everything "normal" I know he is past tired.....<br><br>
we keep rocking.... and rocking and we rock and we fight a little and we rock a lot more....<br><br>
yes DS fights it and point to getting up and GIGGLES and laughs and then cries, the giggles.....and tries climb off me, or up me, or arches his back......<br><br>
at that point -- his version of being slap happy -- i know he is beyond tired and i just have to help him fight though it. cuz he is too young to really know how he feels ... sure he'd like to get up, but in 45 seconds he'd be melting down..... i have to be the momma and keep tellng him he is tried and i know it is hard.<br><br>
so i rock and i rock and i do fight him a little to keep him on my lap.......and in a while (5 minuites? up to 10) he will settle and relax into the rocking.....however it will still take a lot longer to get him to sleep. but more or less we just fight out ways though it -- letting him work it out by resisting -- he has to wrok though it before he can sleep<br><br>
i try my best to avoid this -- and we start bedtime between 6:30 and 7 -- but there are days 7 pm hits and so does the slap happyness -- so he is just more tired.....
 

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I've had to try something new with dd because now that she's so interested in what's going on around her she doesn't always want to take a nap (plus we were traveling so much for awhile that she got used to sleeping with the hum of the car). Anyway, although she fights it at first, for the last four days, when she starts to get overtired and I can't get her to relax, out comes my mei tai or sometimes my wrap, and she gets popped in even if she's fussing and fighting. bang within just a few minutes she's out. Might be something to try.<br><br>
as a side note, she decided that 3 am last night was a great time to wake up, start babbling, poking and kicking mom and dad, took me awhile to get her interested in falling asleep so I spent some time reading my LLL mag which she was interested in <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">at that point -- his version of being slap happy -- i know he is beyond tired and i just have to help him fight though it. cuz he is too young to really know how he feels ... sure he'd like to get up, but in 45 seconds he'd be melting down..... i have to be the momma and keep tellng him he is tried and i know it is hard. ... but more or less we just fight out ways though it -- letting him work it out by resisting -- he has to wrok though it before he can sleep</div>
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This is the gist of my poorly detailed OP. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> Despite accommodating the natural bedtime and all that so as to avoid DC getting overtired, if DC gets slap happy, how do you ride it out? How does your DC "work through it"?
 

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Lately in the eve, she gets tired and can't fall asleep and keeps pulling off the breast rolling back and forth. We eventually put her in the sling and dance. We usually change back and forth so someone gets a break. It's difficult when you are exhausted but my partner and I hang out while dancing with her and listening to music. I read somewhere... that sometimes babies have trouble getting rid of that last bit of energy/restlessness so you can help them by moving around--maybe we shake it out of her. Then she falls asleep and when we transfer her back to bed, I nurse her and she falls asleep for a couple of hours. She is almost 8 months old. It has started to happen before naps as well where used to nurse and on walks she would fall asleep. Now, I go back out for a walk if she is overtired and can't sleep. I sit in the park if she falls asleep listening to music and enjoying the weather. It does take time and I never know how it is going to go but I am going with it and enjoying all this time with her.
 

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DD lives in the mai tei. that's how she naps most of the time - and usually in a back carry she sleeps "better"
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So what to do when the kid wakes up from their nap rubbing their eyes and is basically tired all day?<br><br>
My 5 month old has been sleeping terribly lately - and we've tried everything we can think of. Last night she was up every 45 minutes and at one stretch for probably 2-3 hours. So she's already rubbing her eyes this morning - pretty much from the time she woke up at 6:20. Now she's playing and whining in her crib, but I really need some sleep.<br><br>
But yeah, throughout the day she will rub her eyes all day long and then hates going to sleep. We have a white noise maker in her room, but even so, she fights and fights and fights it.<br><br>
I'm exhausted and completely at a loss here.</div>
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Misery loves company (see my "zombie baby" post in Life w/a Babe) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">. We were exactly where you were last week (and it went on for 5 weeks)--nighttime sleep has improved since we moved her from crib in our room to sidecarred crib <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:. But daytime naps still awful, fights them every step with crazy manic energy. Tonight, at 5 pm, after spending about 8 hours purely focused on getting her to nap (total nap time: 45 minutes), I spied the Miracle Blanket, which we haven't used for about 2 months (she's 18 lbs, 27 inches, 5 months!). Her feet stick out, and she didn't like going in it, but I laid her down, put my head on her chest and sang her favorite song--she went down in 15 minutes and stayed down for 2.5 hrs!! I just nursed her back down, MB'd her again and she went out without a peep.<br><br>
There's such a tendency when you have these tiny parenting victories to think, "Aha! That's the solution, problem solved" and then you are punished for such hubris in 2 hrs. Still, I'm hoping this might make a big difference... This is the easiest evening we've had in the past 6 weeks (following the sh*ttiest day!).
 

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Do you think we are all doing the right thing here? Sometimes I wonder if this whole CIO thing works so well if I am being selfish to not do it... I mean we are going through the same things you are all talking about with naps and night time. I just wonder if you take all of the crying that he is doing in my arms and in the sling while I "help" him to fall asleep is actually more than he would be doing if we did CIO. I don't want to...but I just want a happy well rested baby.
 

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nope<br><br>
the tears in a sling or being held can never be as terrifying or as lonely or as heart wrenching to a child as even few tears cried alone<br><br>
it sucks<br><br>
DS is a totally crappy sleeper -- but i at least know HE knows momma loves him and is ALWAYS there no matter what.
 

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I am vehemently opposed to CIO but I do think it's worth considering if you have one of babies described in this moxie article.<br><br><a href="http://moxie.blogs.com/askmoxie/2006/06/babies_and_cio.html" target="_blank">http://moxie.blogs.com/askmoxie/2006...s_and_cio.html</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I do NOT have one of these babies. If I have to leave the room to recollect myself he gets more and more hysterical. But I guess it's possible that some babies will cry for a couple of minutes before sleep (and by couple I mean like 3! To repeat. I am extremely opposed to CIO. But 3 minutes isn't CIO, IMO).
 

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i guess i jsut don't call THAT CIO -- i have a DN who needs a few minuts ALONE to decompress .. and gets more wound the more you try to "help" -- sometimes crying, sometimes fussy, sometimes just flip and flop almost vilently........BUT it never lasts more than 3 minutes......and Sis discovered it by accidnet (HAD to potty) and said she's let him do it unless it ever went over 5 minutes by the clock......he is 8 now and STILL that way -0- he goes to bed and just tosses and truns and throws the sheets around .. but then he settles, not always right to sleep , but sleep ready .....<br><br>
Theo is not like that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> we did try -- gave him 3 minutees... after 2 he was getting more worked up so i went back to him.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">There's such a tendency when you have these tiny parenting victories to think, "Aha! That's the solution, problem solved" and then you are punished for such hubris in 2 hrs. Still, I'm hoping this might make a big difference... This is the easiest evening we've had in the past 6 weeks (following the sh*ttiest day!).</div>
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Haha! Seriously. My babe went down fine last night, woke up once, cried out and put herself back to sleep, and then woke up and slept with us the rest of the night after she nursed. She was up for like thirty minutes at one point, but I had gotten so much rest that I didn't even mind getting up to rock her. I feel like a new person today for having slept for like 4 uninterrupted hours!
 

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Ugh. I totally have one of these babies. She just can't cry it out with me or dh in the room - we make her totally manic and she laughs and then cries and then kicks and shrieks, etc.<br><br>
At the same time, she's only 5 mos old, and I cannot bear to leave her in there to wind down. I'm trying to teach her to wind down by calming her first, but it doesn't always work. Dh thinks we need to just let her cry for a few minutes, but I hate it.<br><br>
I read that whole article and while dd does get more worked up if we are in the room, she never wakes up happy. Not when she's nursed to sleep, not when she's rocked to sleep, not when she fusses to sleep. Dh thinks we need to let her cry to sleep sometimes, and I can't stand it.<br><br>
Thoughts?
 
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