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My dd's preschool asked us for a copy of her immunization records. I hadn't kept any, since she hadn't had a lot, so I got a copy from the clinic. Here it is, in total:<br><br>
DPTP #1 Nov 15, 2005<br>
DPTP #2 Nov 01, 2006<br>
MMR Nov 15, 2005.<br><br>
That's it. She has never had Hepatitis B. Now dh and I are in hot debate over chickenpox vaccine. I say no, he says do what the doctor thinks is best. FTR, how long were your kids unable to go to school/daycare with chickenpox? That seems like a lousy reason to do it, so that we don't miss work. But dh thinks it's an issue, so I'm curious.<br><br>
Anyway, we live in Canada. I know we are WAY behind in terms of the routine vax schedule, but that's by choice. I just have NO IDEA what we would need to do to bring her "up to date" on at least the core vaccines. She has never had the flu shot. I want to do the minimum but I would like to stay current on things like tetanus, which is the biggy she's behind on right now. She'll be 4 at the end of February and is in wonderful health, with no allergies that we know of. We have an appointment with the ped thisafternoon and will probably do a tetanus booster. That will buy me time with the chickenpox vaccine.<br><br>
FWIW, she had 2 big vaccine combos done at once, even though I expressly told the nurse that I was DELIBERATELY separating them out. She had DPTP and MMR at the same time. When I called the clinic later that day, because dd was feeling really crappy, the doctor I talked to said they normally don't do those together "because it increases the chances of reactions." Arrrgh.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">She'll be 4 at the end of February and is in wonderful health, with no allergies that we know of.</div>
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Put all vaccines off and research before you mess with a healthy kid. Too many kids get vaccine damaged.<br><br>
Tetanus is a disease of old people who have circulatory issues and work with horses. And very, very few of them get tetanus. Kids never get it!<br><br>
Please find out what is being injecte with the vaccine. What is in the needle. You will be shocked.
 

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There are no required vaccines in Canada.<br><br>
What province are you in? That would affect what type of record you need to give the preschool.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Now dh and I are in hot debate over chickenpox vaccine. I say no, he says do what the doctor thinks is best. FTR, how long were your kids unable to go to school/daycare with chickenpox? That seems like a lousy reason to do it, so that we don't miss work. But dh thinks it's an issue, so I'm curious.</div>
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DD got it when she was 5 and she had spots and itchiness, but wasn't "ill" so she was just fine to go to school and the docs here say there is no point in keeping a kid at home if they are well enough to go to school, because they've already been through the contagious period at this point.<br><br>
Some kids do get sick with a fever though and need to be kept home. You should also check what the school's policy is. Some schools have a policy that kids need to be kept home until the sores scab over, etc.
 

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I don't know what province you are in, but hep b isn't even offered in Ontario until age 12.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">...the docs here say there is no point in keeping a kid at home if they are well enough to go to school, because they've already been through the contagious period at this point.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know what province you are in, but hep b isn't even offered in Ontario until age 12.</div>
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Well, that sounds like what is being practiced in most EU countries.
 

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We're in Nova Scotia. I'm pretty sure her preschool would require her to stay home, since they have a very conservative policy in other areas; like you have to keep your kid home with lice until all the nits are gone, even though lots of public health systems now think thi is unnecessary. But that's just a messed-up reason for getting the vaccine, IMO; especially since I have paid sick time and family illness leave and so does dh!<br><br>
We did just go and get the DTPT, which also has haemophilus B. So we'll see how she reacts to that. I'm definitely a delayed-and-selective-vaccine person, as opposed to a no-vaccine person; although I do think you're right, that I need to do more research. I didn't know that about tetanus! The next one the doctor wants us to get is Menjugate. Again, I miss my 'old' doctor who told me not to do this, that she's only ever seen 2 cases of meningitis in 18 years of family practice and in both those cases, the patients made a full recovery. It's true, I don't want to mess with her health. I don't know why she seems to be so resistant to illnesses, or if that will last; but boy, something is keeping her healthy and the two things I can point to are minimal vaccination and extended breastfeeding.
 

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I would hold off and do some research first. Look around on this site. You can always vax later,you don't need to rush now to vax her. No one can force you to vax. No one can force you to have chemotherepy or liposuction either. This is a medical procedure of western medicine. Nothing more nothing less.
 

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Just FYI, the 'routine' schedule for Nova Scotia is here:<br><br><a href="http://www.gov.ns.ca/ohp/ocmoh/immunization.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gov.ns.ca/ohp/ocmoh/immunization.htm</a>
 

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Couldn't pay me a million bux to give DS any vaxes, but CP vax is positively ridiculous in my opinion.<br><br>
Why? Because even *IF* it works, efficacy rates wane. This is fact. So your DC will be vulnerable to CPox at a later, more potentially damaging age. DC would have to be re-immunized against CP for the rest of his LIFE! All because of some spots and a few days off school.<br><br>
You live in Canada, you've got access to quality medical care. If by some crazy chance your kid winds up having a complication from chicken pox, you will be able to quickly receive medical attention, but the chances of you needing it are absolutely WEE.<br><br>
I lived through chicken pox... had the fever, itched and got this awesome thing called LIFELONG natural immunity. WAAAAY BETTER! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but if your DS is that worried about missing work, does he have any idea what he is in for as a parent? There will be without question, colds and flus that will keep you home from work. You have a child and not a cat.<br><br>
Lots of support for you though, as previous posters have mentioned, you can simply delay. Gather information and make an informed decision at your own pace.
 

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You don't sound rude at all, Twwly. You made me laugh, though. I'll remind dh that dd is not a cat...though FWIW, the CAT is on a seriously selective immunization schedule! It's ironic that I have so much choice here. Even though vaccines are not forced in Canada, they are definitely pushed hard. On the few occasions I have had to call a doctor when dd has been sick, the first question is always, "she IS fully immunized, right?" When the answer is no, well, there's the loaded silence and all. But I'm lucky enough to have paid sick leave AND a very supportive, informed physician. Dh is amazing when dd is sick, so I definitely give him that. He just doesn't see so much why NOT to vax, so he thinks it would be needless to stay home for what he sees as a preventable illness. But he thanked me for doing the research that led us to avoid all vaccines for the first 2 years and then only to do a few. I'm going to hold firm on the chicken pox and probably most others. There's definitely no rush.
 

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Apparently, yes, Menjugate is now on the NS vaccine schedule. I think as of last year, you don't have to pay for it (but I'm not entirely certain about that). I think it's supposed to protect against meningitis C? That and Prevnar, apparently; last year you stopped having to pay for it or something. Thing is, one of the things this doctor is saying is that, because dd hasn't had any of these vaccines early in life, when she was 'supposed' to, she can 'get away' with just one dose and be protected. So I could do 1 dose of Prevnar instead of 4. But Prevnar was never on the menu for us. I remember reading that it was supposed to help prevent ear infections, for God's sake. Dd has never, in 4 years, had an ear infection; maybe because she breastfed for so long. Who knows. There's just so MANY vaccines out there!
 

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In 4 years no ear infection. I don't know any other kids that is that healthy beside my completely unvaccinated grandson who is also 4 and has also never had an ear infection. (Nor has his unvaccinated 2 yr. old brother.) Even though ear infections "ran" in their dad's family. Their dad had abx many times in his life, had ear tubes and all the vaccines for his age group. He now has allergies and asthma.<br><br>
Why mess with vaccines when it is pretty apparent (although never studies) that unvaccinated kids are by far healthier?<br><br>
I know severl of moms (friends of dds) whose kids are fully vaccinated and they spend more time away from their jobs BECAUSE their child is constantly sick than my three grandkids all together are sick in one year.<br><br>
DD said if she only got to stay home from work when one of her kids is sick, she'd never get a day off. (She is a sahm though.)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thing is, one of the things this doctor is saying is that, because dd hasn't had any of these vaccines early in life, when she was 'supposed' to, she can 'get away' with just one dose and be protected.</div>
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See, I just don't understand why he is working so hard in selling you some injection (even just one) for a very healthy child. Can't he himself see how healthy your dd is in spite of not having been vaccinated? How come he is not looking at it this way? I think it's all about money. Big Pharma is not missing one chance to sell their products.
 

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I would hold off on vaxing until you've completely researched it and are comfortable with the decision. We're in Canada as well and we have the right to refuse vaxes. My DD is completely vax-free and was in preschool as well, with no issues whatsoever.<br><br>
We did get some hassle from community health nurses in the beginning, but they stopped calling when she was 18 months old. And as for peds/docs, we've had both the ped and an ER doc ask about her vax status over the years and we just said "We're not vaccinating" and they let it drop.<br><br>
And as for CP...I had it in elementary school. It wasn't fun but there's no way I would ever vax for it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">They're giving meningococcal conjugate vaccine to four-year-olds in Canada?</div>
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Is that the Men-C vaccine? If so, it appears to be recommended as early as 2 months <a href="http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/is-cv/index-eng.php" target="_blank">http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/is-cv/index-eng.php</a><br><br>
My province seems to do it at 12 months. They also have a one at 4 years listed, but it looks like it might be a catch-up one for the kids who were older than 12 months already when they put this vaccine on the schedule. Other provinces may vary with their recommendations.
 

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I'm in Alberta and I never even was asked for DS's vax status when he started Preschool or Kindergarten. It isn't even an issue.<br><br>
ON,NB, and MB require exemption forms. "The rest of Canadian provinces have not enacted legislation requiring vaccination of school children, and hence have no legal exemption forms available. However parents are often told by school officials and medical people, "It's the law - your child can't go to school without the vaccines". Health officials often use these type of intimidation tactics to achieve maximum vaccine compliance. Intimidation and threats violate the baseline medical ethic of Informed Consent." Quoted from here - <a href="http://www.vran.org/legal/forms.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vran.org/legal/forms.htm</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">We did get some hassle from community health nurses in the beginning, but they stopped calling when she was 18 months old.</div>
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I think i got maybe 2 phone calls from the public health nurse when ds2 was born. The first was to see how I was doing and the second was because they couldn't find my ds1's immunization records. Not that I was worried about his records, hes not getting anymore shots anyways. And to go slightly off topic. Both of my babies doctors are from south africa, it's gotta be how they're raised i guess because neither one are for circ, they know what not to do in turns of an intact penis and they have no problems with delaying vaxes and encourage breastfeeding
 
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