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"How in the world would they know this problem will be short lived? They are just beginning to acknowledge that there IS a problem."

Yes. The vaccine has been in the EUA period for just five/six months. These covid vaccines per se have not even been around for a year. The first persons to get the vaccine were volunteers and frontline workers, then senior citizens, then those with pre-existing conditions. Women in their childbearing years have not received the vaccine as a group until three months ago, so there are no long term effects to be tabulated here. The first package insert that came with these covid vaccines advised that both men and women abstain from attempting to conceive a child for six months after receiving the vaccine. There is a link somewhere on these forums referencing that factoid, however I have noticed that the covid 19 vaccine is being pushed on everyone as being perfectly safe for everyone. Yet this vaccine and its technology are still experimental and not approved as safe by the FDA, but is free from product liability.

So shut up and roll up your sleeve.

This is interesting - it is in the 3rd link - "This information is a public document and has been forwarded to the Foundations by our key opinion leaders in the GBS medical community. Of note, there is no mention of GBS in the vaccine insert, not as a risk nor as a vaccine to avoid for those who have had GBS or CIDP or are getting treated for CIDP. " - does that mean it is not a table injury in federal vaccine court?

 
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Blood clots can happen as all these injections are a spike protein. Some cells can't handle the protein and literally explode. The number one symptom on reddit when I scripted a pull script was... headache, brain fog and neurological issues. A lot of doctors are concerned because of these questions;

What happens when a cell explodes and you have a piece of a cell and a spike protein attached to it where the protein can no longer attach to a cell? Does the immune system clean that up or does it stay in the clot situation?

What happens when the spike protein is successful, can the wild covid virus attach to cells and program the body to believe it's okay to have?

Down the road will there be massive eruption of cells when the body then realizes it has all these foreign objects everywhere?

I've heard a lot of question about this from doctors and I personally believe there is something wrong here. I would give this experiment a few years.
 

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Blood clots can happen as all these injections are a spike protein. Some cells can't handle the protein and literally explode. The number one symptom on reddit when I scripted a pull script was... headache, brain fog and neurological issues. A lot of doctors are concerned because of these questions;

What happens when a cell explodes and you have a piece of a cell and a spike protein attached to it where the protein can no longer attach to a cell? Does the immune system clean that up or does it stay in the clot situation?

What happens when the spike protein is successful, can the wild covid virus attach to cells and program the body to believe it's okay to have?

Down the road will there be massive eruption of cells when the body then realizes it has all these foreign objects everywhere?

I've heard a lot of question about this from doctors and I personally believe there is something wrong here. I would give this experiment a few years.
What worries me is that the bad guys have a plan to somehow blame all the vaccine created disasters on people who refuse to take the vaccines.
 
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What worries me is that the bad guys have a plan to somehow blame all the vaccine created disasters on people who refuse to take the vaccines.

yup....we have medical personnel blaming NONvaxxed for the mutations.....smh...they stop at nothing to throw blame
 

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Perhaps a risk/benefit consideration for teens and young people (particularly males) in regard to the Pfizer vaccine, and maybe mRNA Covid vaccines in general. Links in chronological order as reported in the media.

April 23,2021:
Israel Probing Link Between Pfizer Shot and Heart Problem in Men Under 30
The report found that of those who received the second dose, 1-in-100,000 had possible side effects of myocarditis; however, this number rose to 1-in-20,000 among those aged 16-30.
Two of the patients, who were reportedly healthy until receiving the vaccination, including a 22-year-old woman and a 35-year-old man, died.
April 26, 2021:
Pentagon Tracking Cases of Heart Inflammation in Troops After COVID-19 Shots
"We applaud Military Health System medical professionals for considering cardiac evaluations. ... Following diagnosis, these adverse events, temporally associated with immunization, were submitted to the CDC's VAERS and subsequently brought to the attention of the CDC's COVID-19 Safety Technical Subgroup," Graves said.
May 22, 2021:
CDC Studying Reports of Heart Inflammation in Young Covid Vaccine Recipients
Some teenagers and young adults who received Covid-19 vaccines have experienced heart inflammation, a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory group said, recommending further study of the rare condition.
It did not say how many people had been affected and recommended further investigation.
 

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Perhaps a risk/benefit consideration for teens and young people (particularly males) in regard to the Pfizer vaccine, and maybe mRNA Covid vaccines in general. Links in chronological order as reported in the media.

April 23,2021:
Israel Probing Link Between Pfizer Shot and Heart Problem in Men Under 30


April 26, 2021:
Pentagon Tracking Cases of Heart Inflammation in Troops After COVID-19 Shots


May 22, 2021:
CDC Studying Reports of Heart Inflammation in Young Covid Vaccine Recipients
Odd that it is so hard to count the number of young people turning up with reports of heart inflammation.
 

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Myocarditis or Pericarditis anyone?



 
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Myocarditis or Pericarditis anyone?



Last week, members of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices put out a statement that they had investigated reports of a heart ailment among people -- predominantly teens and young adults -- who had received a Covid-19 vaccine.

The panel concluded that the rates of myocarditis -- inflammation of the heart muscle -- were not higher among people who had been vaccinated.

"Careful investigation indicates [myocarditis] did not occur more frequently among young people who were vaccinated than among young people who were not vaccinated," said Dr. William Schaffner, an ACIP member. "So there is no causal link to the vaccination."
"You're as likely to get myocarditis if you were vaccinated than if you weren't vaccinated," added Dr. Paul Offit, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania.

In its statement on the CDC's website, ACIP said there were "relatively few reports of myocarditis to date" and that "most cases appear to be mild," but did not give specific case numbers.
The statement concluded that "within CDC safety monitoring systems, rates of myocarditis reports in the window following COVID-19 vaccination have not differed from expected baseline rates," adding that "follow-up of cases is ongoing."

Based on the approximately 164 million people who have received at least one dose of the vaccine and the rates of myocarditis in the US, you would expect to see hundreds of cases myocarditis every month among those who have been vaccinated, he said, emphasizing that those cases are not because of the vaccine, but coincidental.
 

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Background rates again? Hilarious.

They never once in that article talk about the actual background rate in children between 12 and 18. They talk about the background rate across the ENTIRE population that has received the vaccine.

This is vaccine injury denial of the most egregious flavor.
 
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Background rates again? Hilarious.

They never once in that article talk about the actual background rate in children between 12 and 18. They talk about the background rate across the ENTIRE population that has received the vaccine.

This is vaccine injury denial of the most egregious flavor.
Nope. It specifically says they looked at the background rate in young people, not the entire population.
 

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That CNN headline is a bit misleading. While it is true that, at this point, the Covid vaccine hasn't been linked to heart problems in young people, the CDC is still continuing to "monitor and evaluate reports". They are not seeing higher rates among vaccinated teens and young adults, but that does not necessarily mean that there is not a causal relation.

In mid April the headlines proclaimed "No Causal Link Found Between J&J's Covid Vaccine and Blood Clots" while the matter was still under investigation. However, by early May the CDC admitted that the rare cases of vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia were, indeed, a reaction caused by the adenovirus vectored vaccine.

It is super annoying that they don't state the actual rates of myocarditis. The Israeli study, linked in my previous post, gave a rate of 1 in 20,000 for vaccinated males age 16-30. (Israel has vaccinated significantly more of this demographic than the US.) This seems quite a bit higher than the rate of pediatric myocarditis found in pervious studies. However, both the Finnish and Japanese study included very young children/infants (low rate), as well as teens (who have a higher incidence rate).

There is a seasonal pattern to myocarditis, with 40% of pediatric cases occurring Sept-Dec (at least for the northern hemisphere, and concurrent with seasonal viruses). One thing the CDC will probably be monitoring, as more younger people receive the Pfizer vaccine, is whether they are seeing more myocarditis than is usual for the time of year.
 

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That CNN headline is a bit misleading. While it is true that, at this point, the Covid vaccine hasn't been linked to heart problems in young people, the CDC is still continuing to "monitor and evaluate reports". They are not seeing higher rates among vaccinated teens and young adults, but that does not necessarily mean that there is not a causal relation.

In mid April the headlines proclaimed "No Causal Link Found Between J&J's Covid Vaccine and Blood Clots" while the matter was still under investigation. However, by early May the CDC admitted that the rare cases of vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia were, indeed, a reaction caused by the adenovirus vectored vaccine.

It is super annoying that they don't state the actual rates of myocarditis. The Israeli study, linked in my previous post, gave a rate of 1 in 20,000 for vaccinated males age 16-30. (Israel has vaccinated significantly more of this demographic than the US.) This seems quite a bit higher than the rate of pediatric myocarditis found in pervious studies. However, both the Finnish and Japanese study included very young children/infants (low rate), as well as teens (who have a higher incidence rate).

There is a seasonal pattern to myocarditis, with 40% of pediatric cases occurring Sept-Dec (at least for the northern hemisphere, and concurrent with seasonal viruses). One thing the CDC will probably be monitoring, as more younger people receive the Pfizer vaccine, is whether they are seeing more myocarditis than is usual for the time of year.
Thanks for digging all that up.
 
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Happy to see someone finally put this in a context that makes sense, rather than just saying "not greater than the background rate". You have to take into account the time frame in which the cases occurred, not just the yearly rate.


This is a doctor who published a COVID in schools study in MMWR only to have it completely ignored by the CDC/director in favor of AFT influence when writing school re-opening guidelines.

 

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What do you think about the Novavax protein subunit vaccine? It probably will come out in July. As a nursing mom there are way too many unknowns (aka lack of longterm studies) with mRNA and vector vaccines so this one I am actually considering. Anyone else? Pros and cons?

btw I used to be on here years ago when my first was a baby... I can’t find my old login anymore.
 

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What do you think about the Novavax protein subunit vaccine? It probably will come out in July. As a nursing mom there are way too many unknowns (aka lack of longterm studies) with mRNA and vector vaccines so this one I am actually considering. Anyone else? Pros and cons?

btw I used to be on here years ago when my first was a baby... I can’t find my old login anymore.
Welcome back. I'm still hoping to evade the vaccines altogether, so I can't comment on Novavax.
 

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What do you think about the Novavax protein subunit vaccine? It probably will come out in July. As a nursing mom there are way too many unknowns (aka lack of longterm studies) with mRNA and vector vaccines so this one I am actually considering. Anyone else? Pros and cons?

btw I used to be on here years ago when my first was a baby... I can’t find my old login anymore.
still too many unknowns with such a new vaccine...'coming out in july'....doesn't sound like much research was put into this. Do you plan on stopping nursing when you get the vaccine? You may not find info about this in breast milk most likely due to this being an excluding factor in the human trials.

What is the actual reality of you truly aquiring covid?
 

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still too many unknowns with such a new vaccine...'coming out in july'....doesn't sound like much research was put into this. Do you plan on stopping nursing when you get the vaccine? You may not find info about this in breast milk most likely due to this being an excluding factor in the human trials.

What is the actual reality of you truly aquiring covid?
Low. My risk is very low even if I get it. I personally don’t want to get this vaccine but it looks like it will be mandated by my employer and I’m not sure I can travel freely to Europe to see my family without it. I’ll hold off for as long as I can. I don’t feel comfortable with the mRNA and vector vaccines. That’s a hard no. The data is simply not there. A traditional vaccine would be more likely for me to be accepted. Data for nova vax is short term only. Phase 3 from the U.K. and from the USA will come out in July they say.
 

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What do you think about the Novavax protein subunit vaccine? It probably will come out in July. As a nursing mom there are way too many unknowns (aka lack of longterm studies) with mRNA and vector vaccines so this one I am actually considering. Anyone else? Pros and cons?

btw I used to be on here years ago when my first was a baby... I can’t find my old login anymore.
It's funny that there was so much coverage of the first 3 Covid vaccines available in the US, but I have not heard a lot about Novavax. I mean, months before the EUAs there were articles listing all the ingredients in each vaccine, with descriptions of the manufacturing process, etc., etc. From what I could find, Novavax sounds very interesting. The fact that it doesn't actually contain the spike protein could make it less likely to induce some of the systemic and severe side effects seen with the current Covid vaccines.

There are 2 things that I, personally, would want more info on. One, the "proprietary nanoparticle technology." Proprietary usually means, "we don't have to tell you anything about it to protect our trade secrets/intellectual property." I'm hoping that once the EUA is obtained, more info will be available, including the what and how of that aspect of the vaccine. Two, although it looks like the vaccine will be manufactured in the various countries for which it's been authorized (i.e the Canadian vaccine will be made in Canada, the UK in the UK, and, I assume, the US in the US - although I couldn't find specific info on that) the nanoparticle component will be made elsewhere. One possibility is the Serum Institute of India. I'm always a little concerned when pharmaceuticals are produced in countries without robust regulatory framework, and India certainly is one of them. I'm not sure if SII will be providing the nanoparticle for all the Novavax vaccines, or just those for less developed nations. (Of course, unfortunately IMO, so many of the raw ingredients in our pharmaceuticals are produced in China and India without sufficient regulation and oversight.)

Hopefully, as the vaccine will probably get EUA soon, we'll get some more details on it!
 

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Good points! I was so focused on researching their adjuvant (saponin instead of aluminum). Even when it comes out I’ll stand by for a bit to see how real world reactions shake out. I do feel good about it not containing the spike protein per se. I have experienced adverse reactions to other vaccines so I’m naturally very hesitant and saddened by the current cultural push that ignores all questions or concerns. 😤
I too find it odd that the mRNA and vector vaccines received a lot of press but this one only has coverage in the business news (for its stock value).... I’m looking forward to the EUA document to learn more about it.
 

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Nope. It specifically says they looked at the background rate in young people, not the entire population.
Looks like the CDC may be reassessing that.

CDC - COVID-19 VaST Work Group Report – May 24, 2021
During the VaST session on May 24, 2021, members reviewed updated data on myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination, including presentations from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), along with a brief update from the Department of Veteran Affairs (VA) about further plans for investigation.
Data from VAERS show that in the 30-day window following dose 2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, there was a higher number of observed than expected myocarditis/pericarditis cases in 16–24-year-olds.
Israel Sees Probable Link Between Pfizer Vaccine and Myocarditis Cases
The study found "there is a probable link between receiving the second dose (of Pfizer) vaccine and the appearance of myocarditis among men aged 16 to 30" ...According to the findings, such a link was observed more among men aged 16 to 19 than in other age groups.
Israel Considers Giving Teens Just 1 COVID Vaccine Dose
...sources familiar with vaccination policymaking told The Times of Israel that a switch to a one-shot protocol is likely, as the cases of myocarditis are believed to have occurred almost exclusively after young people received their second vaccine dose.
 
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