[warrior mama]

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/.../en/index.html

Check this out! I would have thought that if being uncircumcised led to increase in HIV transmission why aren't the HIV rates higher in Europe.

 

[kxsiven]

A question I've been asking several years now.

People have lots of sex here in Scandinavia. A lot. And despite all those lethal foreskins flapping around we have very low HIV rates.

 

[laneylue]

This quote ticks me off:

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"Circumcised men can still contract HIV and pass it to their partners. If male circumcision is proven to be effective, it must be considered as just one element of a comprehensive HIV prevention package that includes correct and consistent use of condoms, reductions in the number of sexual partners, delaying onset of sexual relations, and voluntary and confidential counselling and HIV testing to know one's HIV serostatus. Just as combination treatment is more effective than single drug therapy for people with HIV, combination prevention is more effective than reliance on a single HIV prevention method."

Umm. Won't doing all of that without circumcision substantially reduce the chances of contracting HIV?

ARE THESE PEOPLE STUPID????

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[Christine&men]

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Originally Posted by warrior mama Check this out! I would have thought that if being uncircumcised led to increase in HIV transmission why aren't the HIV rates higher in Europe.

Easily explained, industrialized (meaning: rich) Europe can afford condoms! Third world countries can't.

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So, let's mutilate people to prevent disease? What a great idea...

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[AntoninBeGonin]

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Originally Posted by laneylue This quote ticks me off: Umm. Won't doing all of that without circumcision substantially reduce the chances of contracting HIV? ARE THESE PEOPLE STUPID???? : : :

Oh no, because the HIV virus can sense the foreskin so if an intact man is wearing a condom the virus travels through the condom and infects the partner. That doesn't happen when the man is circumcised because there aren't enough monkeys in living in **********...

~Nay

 

[Haydee]

Here's my question on the HIV transmission: Are the circumcised men's rates for getting HIV lower because women won't have sex with them because they look funny to them? I mean, think about it. You are taking a culture that believes the uncircumcised penis is normal and attractive. Maybe the difference is just that the uncircumcised men are able to find more partners interested in them?

I know it sounds shallow of me, but does it make any sense at all if you think about it? (Feel free to flame me if you disagree.)

 

[Islay]

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Originally Posted by laneylue This quote ticks me off: Umm. Won't doing all of that without circumcision substantially reduce the chances of contracting HIV? ARE THESE PEOPLE STUPID???? : : :

In defence of the WHO, the statement does say: "...If male circumcision is proven to be effective..." (emphasis is mine). The study has yet to be completed - if it ever is!

OT: The American use of "ticks me off", "ticked off" is so different to ours. In England, if we say "He/she ticks me off" or "I was ticked off" it means reprimanded!

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Originally Posted by mammakerry Here's my question on the HIV transmission: Are the circumcised men's rates for getting HIV lower because women won't have sex with them because they look funny to them? I mean, think about it. You are taking a culture that believes the uncircumcised penis is normal and attractive. Maybe the difference is just that the uncircumcised men are able to find more partners interested in them? I know it sounds shallow of me, but does it make any sense at all if you think about it? (Feel free to flame me if you disagree.)

I'm a man, so can't really confirm or deny this! But I do see your point; it's the other side of the same coin.

Christopher

 

[Plummeting]

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Originally Posted by mammakerry Here's my question on the HIV transmission: Are the circumcised men's rates for getting HIV lower because women won't have sex with them because they look funny to them? I mean, think about it. You are taking a culture that believes the uncircumcised penis is normal and attractive. Maybe the difference is just that the uncircumcised men are able to find more partners interested in them? I know it sounds shallow of me, but does it make any sense at all if you think about it? (Feel free to flame me if you disagree.)

I agree. I don't think it's just about looks, either. It doesn't *feel* the same - not nearly as nice at all.

 

[warrior mama]

I wonder if there will be a long line of men wanting to have their foreskin removed in Europe......will they get it done on the NHS in the UK.....me thinks not!
The report is really quite scary, in order to prevent HIV surely only condons/abstinence is the answer.