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Sorry for my english.<br>
I read russian community bez_privivok (life without vaccines) (<a href="http://community.livejournal.com/bez_privivok" target="_blank">http://community.livejournal.com/bez_privivok</a> )<br>
One mother asked what can be done for whooping cough. I answered that vitamin C can be very helpfull and gave this link <a href="http://www.doctoryourself.com/whoop.html" target="_blank">http://www.doctoryourself.com/whoop.html</a><br>
"Whooping cough responds quickly (12-48 hours) to absolute saturation therapy with ascorbic acid vitamin C. Vitamin C must be given every 10 to 15 minutes that the patient is awake in sufficient quantity to produce "bowel tolerance" (near-diarrhea). The quantity given orally may exceed 1000 mg vitamin C per kilogram body weight per day. Be advised that small amounts will not produce results."<br>
Today I got a letter from someone that said "Вы в курсе отчего умерла жена Лайнуса Поллинга, дважды нобелевского лауреата и пионера мега-доз витамина C?<br>
Что за радость - полная блокировка окислительных процессов в организме. Еще кровопускание хорошо помогает"<br>
"Do you know a wife of Dr Linus Pauling, the "Father of Vitamin C", died from?<br>
It is a total blocking of oxidizing processes in the body. Bloodletting is also very helpful".<br>
What can I answer him? Can you give me links?
 

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First, I don't know what Linus Pauling's wife died from.<br><br>
The only time bloodletting is useful, is in the case of haemachromatosis, and its done by donating the blood which is then used for someone who is severely iron deficient.<br><br>
Blood letting for whooping cough would be of no use to a child, and would weaken them further.<br><br>
I would ask him exactly where he heard whatever he heard, and ask him what blocking of the oxidizing processes in the body has to do with Vitamin C, and where he heard it. Only someone who doesn't understand the basics of physiology, biochemistry and vitamin C metabolic pathways could infer that Pauling's wife or anyone, would die from using vitamin C. ... If that is what he is inferring. I would simply suggest to him that if he can read English, he should read up on Vitamin C and come back to discuss the issue when he has finished.
 

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As I understand by reading his posts, that he was interested in homeopathy. Before he recomended the site of Alexander Kotok, but lately annouced that he does not. He had some arguments with Kotok.<br>
He said that Linus Pauling's wife died from stomach cancer after years of vitamin C megadoses.<br>
"Bloodletting is also very helpful" - it is sarcasm.
 

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No answer, but I wanted to ask you, Irena, have you seen the movie Правда о прививках? My husband downloaded it the other day and it was quite interesting. I thought the last 15-20 minutes were a little odd, though (where she talks about some conspiracy to keep people sick). Just wondering it you have seen it....
 

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No, I haven't. It is very long? It takes a lot of time to download?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No, I haven't. It is very long? It takes a lot of time to download?</div>
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It was over an hour long--when my husband comes home, I'll ask him for the link.
 

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Here is the link--look for post #1224<br><br><a href="http://forum.netz.ru/showthread.php?t=15942&page=62" target="_blank">http://forum.netz.ru/showthread.php?t=15942&page=62</a><br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Информация о фильме<br>
Название: Правда о прививках<br>
Жанр: Документальный<br>
Режиссер: Галина Царёва<br><br>
Описание:<br>
Приводятся данные из документов для служебного пользования и прочие мало известные факты.<br><br>
Что такое поствакцинарный синдром, о резко возросшем уровне аутоимунных заболеваний, что такое выхолащивание иммунитета, о том что первые 18 месяцев жизни младенец вынужден бороться с привитыми ему болезнями и многом другом....<br><br>
В фильме принимают участие Колесов Д. В. (доктор медицинских наук, профессор, академик РАО). Червонская Г. П. вирусолог, член РАО по биоэтике и международного общества по правам человека. Как специалисты иммунологи, они раскрывают факты, которые вам не расскажет никакая мед. сестра из техникума и ни один педиатр (одни в силу образования, другие в силу "промытости" умов ещё на студенческой скамье).<br><br>
В фильме рассказывается о страшных последствиях вакцин. Анализируется состав вакцин (соли ртути, формальдегид и алюминий), возможные поствакцинарные осложнения. Приводятся факты, позволяющие взглянуть на другую сторону прививочной "медали". В нашей стране сложилась преступная традиция вакцинировать всех подряд, что приводит к плачевным результатам (здоровые дети стали уже казуистикой), 80-85% детей заболевших дифтерией, оказываются "правильно и своевременно" привитыми. Туберкулез тоже не хочет "ликвидироваться", несмотря на прививки БЦЖ-вакциной.<br>
Приводятся удивительные данные по разным странам.<br><br>
Родители аутичных детей в Америке подают на производителей вакцины АКДС и гепатита В в суд, считая их причиной развития аутизма у их детей.<br><br>
Продолжительность: 01:44:48.120 (157203 frames)<br><br>
Файл<br>
Формат: DivX<br>
Качество: DVDRip<br>
Видео: 20x224 (1.43:1), 25 fps, XviD MPEG-4 ~326 kbps avg, 0.18 bit/pixel<br>
Звук: 48 kHz, MPEG Layer 3, 2 ch, ~128.00 kbps avg<br>
Размер: 348.12 Mb ( 365*027*328 bytes )</td>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
It's funny seeing you two talking two lingos...<br><br>
In terms of stomach cancer, from the research I've done, chlorinated water will cause many more stomach cancer cases than water without chlorine does, and water with flouride and aluminium in it, just increases the numbers further. And unless Mrs Pauling was careful enough to steer clear of tap water, who can tell what her stomach cancer was from?<br><br>
In the end, we do the best we can. And we will all die of something, no?<br><br>
Besides which if the original message was about the acute use of vitamin C in whooping cough, then of what relevance is the long term use? The "function" of acute use of vitamin C is a toxin neutraliser, and has a very specific action in the body.<br><br>
I don't agree with everything that Dr Kotok says either.<br><br>
Sounds to me that the person concerned has more problems than just his problems with Dr Kotok <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer">.
 
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