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Hi, I know I'm gonna get flamed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> but I wanted to know if us pro-lifers could discuss why we are pro-life.<br>
what makes you believe what you believe? (and what do you believe)<br><br>
I consider myself VERY pro-life but in some things (such as rape) I have yet to form my point of view. (workin' on it) and would like to know what you think.. thanks!
 

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It would be nice if you didn't get flamed. Could you specify that this is not a debate thread? Maybe? Otherwise I guess we can just be roasted together, since I'm very pro-life! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/bag.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Bag">:<br><br>
I am pro-life because I believe that a baby is a valuable human life from the moment of conception, and not just a "potential baby". In my world view, to kill a baby at any stage of gestation is as morally wrong as killing any born human of any age.<br><br>
As far as rape, I'm not sure I would dare tell a woman who was raped what to do, unless she was a very close friend and came to me for advice. She would need counselling and a lot of love and care, not a diatribe on abortion. However, my personal belief is that it is the rapist who should be killed, not a baby who might result from that heinous act. And from what I have read, it is possible that having an abortion might only compound the pain, not relieve it. *Also*, I have now heard several times talks given by two women who were products of rape. One's teen mother decided to carry her to term and give her up for adoption. The other survived a botched abortion and was also adopted. Since they are speaking for the pro-life side, obviously they are extremely grateful to be alive, regardless of the circumstances in which they were concieved.
 

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i've been pro-life for most of my life... i first thought about it when i was friends with a woman who was adopted and who spoke to me openly about how her birth mother was a teenage mom who decided not to have an abortion. she also wrote very moving pro-life poetry... (i knew her from about the 4th grade through high school)<br><br>
i don't feel that it is completely out of the question for victims of rape or incest (even though i personally wouldn't do it, even in that kind of circumstance)... especially since there is the option of the morning after pill, which if i'm not mistaken just prevents the egg from implanting in the uterine wall. but outside of that... i just feel it's wrong.
 

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I am very pro life....I am pro life because I believe that every baby conceived is a living human being with a soul...and it's that way from the moment of conception. I do not feel I have the right to chose which life is worth living and which is worth ending. A baby is defenseless and can't chose whether to be born, and therefore it is my right as a woman, and a human being, to defend that baby who can't speak for himself. Each life is valuable, each important, each worthy. And by aborting a baby, the person who is going to cure cancer, lead the nation, or otherwise do great things for the world may never have the chance to be born. I believe every baby deserves a chance.<br><br>
I also believe that it's a well known fact that sex creates babies...if you don't want to risk having a baby, don't have sex, or do so with full knowledge of what you're doing (for example, don't have sex during your fertile times). I am a person with a mind and free will, and I have the choice to be responsible and exert self control, or I have the choice to throw self-control out the window and act according to animal instincts...either way, I have a choice and must face the consequences of that choice. However, when another life is conceived, my rights and desires are not the only ones to consider...I then must become an advocate for the voicesless, tiniest member of society who can't defend himself....<br><br>
Finally, sex, conception, pregnancy, and birth are all completely natural. What is more fundamental to natural living than to birth a life you created?
 

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>especially since there is the option of the morning after pill, which if i'm not mistaken just prevents the egg from implanting in the uterine wall.<br><br>
I think that's the main intention of it, but I have a feeling that like the Pill itself, the morning-after pill has a secondary function of making the uterus inhospitable to a baby already concieved.<br>
I remember reading this on another forum, and someone had the links and studies, but I didn't take the time to collect them so I had them for future reference. Silly me.
 

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I am pro-life. I am also pro-choice.<br><br>
I have never really come across a person who is pro-abortion. Most pro-choicers I know wouldnt personally have an abortion but they still believe that it should be legal and do not condemn women who choose to have one.<br><br>
I feel that it is very important that abortion is legal - making it illegal wont stop women from having them and I think it would be highly unfair for these women to have to put themselves at great risk to have an abortion.<br><br>
Having said this I do not think that abortion should be used like a contraceptive. Men and women need to be responsible and if they fall pregnant JUST because they were not being responsible then I dont personally think abortion is the right way to go.<br><br>
Having said that - it would be sad for the baby in a situation like that to be born into an unloving environment to parents who dont want him. Every child a wanted child.... but how do we ensure that abortion isnt abused? I dont think this is very possible....<br><br>
This is such a complicated topic....
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I am pro-life. I am also pro-choice.<br><br>
I have never really come across a person who is pro-abortion. Most pro-choicers I know wouldnt personally have an abortion but they still believe that it should be legal and do not condemn women who choose to have one.<br><br>
I feel that it is very important that abortion is legal - making it illegal wont stop women from having them and I think it would be highly unfair for these women to have to put themselves at great risk to have an abortion.</div>
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That is EXACTLY how I feel, but I have never thought of myself as pro-life. I actually started reading this thread because while I READ pro-life I was thinking pro-choice.<br><br>
I once knew a women who was extreamly feminist. She was 17 when she had her first child in 1969 in the SF bay area. At some point after this child she had an abortion. (btw this first child was my BF in high school which is why I knew her.) She always told me that she would never recommend to anyone to have an abortion. There are always other options and it would be better for everyone all around to give the baby up for adoption.<br><br>
A friend of mine in high school had an abortion. She feels her mother pushed her into it. She was 15 at the time. She is now 33 and has no children and doens't plan on/nor does it seem she can, have children. She once told me that she feels she is being "punished" for the abortion she had as a teenager. That she gave up her chance to be a mother.<br><br>
My cousin had an abortion when she was in her 30's. She felt so guilty she turned around and got pregnant again 2 months later.<br><br>
Most people I know who have had one regret it. I would never however, tell anyone that they could not have one. I don't believe in protest, or blocking access to clinic to deny services to people seeking them. I don't think they should be made illegal because I believe EVERYONE has the right to choose what to do with their own body. I however choose not to have one.<br><br>
Tina
 

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big pro-life-er here, but just wanted to add:<br><br>
I have several friends that are forever messed up emotionally because they had an abortion when they were teenagers. And now two of them are battling fertility problems to boot.<br><br><br><br>
-melissa
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think that's the main intention of it, but I have a feeling that like the Pill itself, the morning-after pill has a secondary function of making the uterus inhospitable to a baby already concieved.</div>
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was the morning after pill recently made available over the counter? i'm not sure... but back when i was pregnant with my first, you could go to any planned parenthood or women's clinic for "emergency" morning after pills... which meant they were available to victims but not to the general public (where i'm sure it would be abused). the only problem was you had to know it was there... i don't remember there being any sort of publicity on the subject... so unless you were ready to go to a hospital after being victimized, which a lot of rape victims don't, it wasn't an option.
 

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When I was young I was sort of on the fence concerning abortion. The concept of aborting a baby just never seemed right. After my first pg and learning about the developing baby inside me , I knew from then on that I was definitely pro-life. I'm not a big fan of the rape issue either. My dh is the result of rape/incest. The value of a human life doesn't change because of how they are conceived. IMHO.
 

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>My dh is the result of rape/incest. The value of a human life doesn't change because of how they are conceived.<br><br>
And it takes on a whole new meaning when it's personal, doesn't it? People can argue hypotheticals 'til they're blue in the face, but the reality is, there is *life* at stake.<br>
I don't know anyone alive now who sincerely wishes they'd never been concieved, or been aborted, no matter what the circumstances.
 

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I am also pro-life here.<br>
I do not condone abortion except when the life of the mother is a stake. Rape or incest are not a reason to me. I used to think there were but then when I really thought about it, why would it be wrong to kill one baby but not another just because of the way they were concieved? I do think that "morning after" pills should be offered to all rape victims if whithin the time limit. I personally do not think that it is a life untill it implants(I think that is the medical def of a pregnancy?) so I do not have a problem with people who have an accident or are raped using that. But I do have a problem with actually taking hte baby out of the womb.
 

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I am pro-life. I am all for choices... but to me there is a big difference between intentionally killing your baby (abortion) and giving birth the way you wish, not knowing the outcome. After all, birth is such a mysterious thing even with all the medical knowledge and hindsight is 20/20. Sometimes women die from c-sections or giving birth vaginally under a doctor's care. Nothing is 100%. The common argument that making abortion illegal causing women to have to bow to a dr.'s advice for prenatal care just doesn't seem possible. Of course, with the stupid judges we seem to have these days I suppose anything can happen.<br><br>
I don't think abortion is the answer for cases of incest/rape. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of shame and fear involved and a pregnancy on top of all that is probably quite difficult. Of course, I don't think rapists are punished thoroughly enough myself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer"><br><br>
Either way... once conceived, I believe he/she is a baby and deserves the same rights that we all enjoy.
 

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> I personally do not think that it is a life untill it implants(I think that is the medical def of a pregnancy?)<br><br>
It has changed in recent years. When my parents were in med school 20some years ago, it was only just beginning to be debated. Before that, in my grandpa's time, it was conception.<br><br>
I don't see why implantation makes such a difference? The baby is growing for days before that. A second before implantation, it's not a baby, but a second after, it is? Just thinking "out loud". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> Conception is a *definite* start to human life. Before that, it's just two different cells, egg and sperm. Implantation is just a change of location, and a change from moving to stationary--obviously necessary for the baby to continue growing, but still, just a change, not a beginning.
 

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Why am I pro-life?<br><br>
I believe that an unborn baby is a human being, smaller certainly, but still just as human as anyone born, and I believe that affords them the right to live. I do not think that the fact that they are dependant on the mother takes away their right to life.<br><br>
There are so many more reasons, but that is first and foremost the main reason.
 

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This is not exactly correct.<br><br><a href="http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/obgyn/qas/0,,202891_113775,00.html?arrivalSA=1&cobrandRef=0&arrival_freqCap=1&pba=adid=9200407" target="_blank">http://www.parentsplace.com/expert/o...a=adid=9200407</a><br><br>
It depends on the development of the baby when the morning after pill is taken.
 

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I'm actually pro-choice, but I agree that if one has sex, one must either take precautions to prevent pregnancy or take responsibility for the consequences. I don't think abortion should be used as a form of contraception. But I believe that women should still have the legal right whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term. I don't judge those who feel they cannot, whatever their reason. Especially when it resulted from rape or incest - they did not willingly conceive - why should they have to suffer going through a pregnancy and birth and then (possibly) have to give the baby up for adoption?<br><br>
I'm not trying to debate, mind you, just trying to express my perspective. I had an abortion when I was in my early 20's and don't regret it, didn't suffer any emotional or physical problems, and went on to have 2 healthy pregnancies and wonderful children when the time was right. My pregnancy was a result of contraceptive failure and I was NOT in any way ready for motherhood, and the father refused to take responsibility, meaning I would have been alone.<br><br>
My personal belief is that the soul descends at the time of birth. I believe that "aborted babies" will eventually be born, either to the same mother or a different one. Just my two cents.
 

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I am pro-life because I believe that "it" is a life from the moment of conception, and it is not our right to kill any other human life.<br><br>
I DO believe in our ability and right, as women, to make empowered choices, but I think the choice in this case is not to have sex when not ready for the possibility of pregnancy.<br><br>
I think it's irresponsible to have sex without being ready for the consequences, and that it's degrading to women to act as though they are mature enough to deal with sex but not with motherhood.<br><br>
Rape or incest or birth defect or health of the mother has no impact on the morality of the situation, IMO. I would not shoot someone to save my own life. It's the same, to me.<br><br>
As much as I tend to be kind of "do whatever makes you happy and doesn't hurt others" in other legal matters, I really don't understand that attitude about this issue. I am confused when someone says that they don't approve of abortion, as they see it as killing a child, but they want to leave that choice open. Do we leave the choice of any other murder open, because we don't want to judge?<br><br>
I completely understand the rationale for leaving it legal if you do not see it as life- but to see it as an ended life/soul/person and still want it legal confuses me.
 

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this is what I believe. (and I actually consider myself pro-life, I don't know how I feel about being "pro-choice", I think I'm just against abortion period. not against who chooses, the government or the woman. just against abortion)
 
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