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Maybe I should post this on the general discussion board, but my hot topic for today is vaccinations. Someone on a mainstream board wanted an opinion on vaccinations I let them know that I stopped and didn't do vaccinations for my three children. I don't have all the links and the knowledge to give a vaccinations 101 online. I read my information 5 yrs ago (and I still do) and I'm at a point (where I am comfortable with my decision)where I don't need to quote this or that to prove my point. I know that for MY family it was the right choice. This really freaks out mainstream people. "I'm putting their children at risk".<br><br>
I'm so tired of people not questioning anything in their lives. Just do as your told, blah blah, blah. I feel like I can't even have an intelligent conversation with these people because they are so close minded. Ugh why do I even bother????????<br><br>
I realize that there are some on these boards who do vaccinate or do so selectivly. I'm ok with that as long as YOU gave it some thought and didn't do it because you were told it was the right thing to do. You did some research and felt it was the best choice for your family.<br><br>
I guess I hope that maybe there is one person out there who will see my post and think maybe there is a different opinion about how things are done.<br><br>
Does anyone feel the same way?<br>
Do you keep quite on your decision? Do you try to inform others?
 

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There was a similar discussion a few days ago on one of my non-parenting message boards. Another lady mentioned not vaxing her DC and I mentioned that DS was not vax'd either - I think we were both relieved to see that there was another non-vaxer there, especially after the comments that anyone who doesn't vax is "stupid". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
I did post a link to the VAERS database and another link to a search of DPT reactions. Hopefully a few people will take a look at it and start wondering. I wasn't sure about mentioning that DS is unvaxed, but felt it was important to share my decision for people to see that there are "normal" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> people who don't vax.<br><br>
Then again, seeing as I'm breastfeeding a toddler (a 13 month old, gasp, the horror!) and CDing they may not see me as the epitome of normalcy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 

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OMG yes. It's everything- vaccines, circumcision, and many many non-parenting related stuff. Even marriage (dp were discussing that recently).<br>
Actually, a lot of our conversations are about how much people just follow the herd, and don't generally stop to think for themselves.<br><br>
Sigh. Yep. you try to make someone stop and think, and you're viewed as crunchy, or wierd, or whatever. Blah<br><br>
But YOU are definitely not alone
 

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That bothers me so much. I feel like I am a black sheep on the mainstream boards (a recent topic: doc wants to have a c-section due to a prior 4th degree tear due to an episiotomy, and half the respondents were saying just go ahead and get the c-section, it's not worth the risk of another 4th degree tear! ARRRGH!). I chose to vaccinate my DD, but this was after a lot of research and soul searching. Ultimately, we decided that vaccination was the right choice for our family. We don't do the flu vaccine, and never will. We do one new vaccine at a time, so we can watch for the reactions. DD got her first shot at 10 months old. Next DC will also have a delayed schedule similar to DD's.<br><br>
I think it's great when parents are proactive and think for themselves, no matter what their ultimate decision is. It is important to be an informed consumer in everything we buy, including medicine. It boggles my mind how many parents go into it so uninformed ("doc wouldn't have suggested it if it was bad"). I think it is important to look at the pros and cons of each decision, and to look at both sides. I read information from the anti- and pro- vax groups. Ultimately, I let the Lord guide my decision. I wish more people were like you and questioned advice from their medical providers. I acknowledge their expertise and knowledge, but I realize they are not gods and do not know everything. They're human and make mistakes. Which is why I control my DD's healthcare, not the doctor.
 

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I did vax and now the boys have problems. I wanted to give my dd a chance to be 'normal'. Wouldn't they if they walked in my shoes?<br><br>
I had naturel childbirth with all 4 without pain relievers. I didn't find it 'odd' at all.<br><br>
I nurse a 3 year old who is bright, healthy and independent. Yet, I'm doing something wrong? My dd doesn't think so and neither do I.<br><br>
Why should I have to conform to others standards because of what they choose? There is no right way in any of these issues if you ask me. You make a choice and do what works for you. If that somehow makes me different, than so be it. What's wrong with being different anyways? Being different keeps us unique <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/upsidedown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="upsidedown"><br><br>
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Honestly I think most people just *don't know.* Don't know by choice or because they're just sheep. I was one of those people until DS was vax injured.<br>
I remember having a conversation with someone and they actually said "I never heard of that" when I told her DS was vaccine injured. Are you kidding me? She had no idea what VAERS was of course...<br>
My SIL is one of those people who only knows what her doctor tells her and will point blankly tell you if she doesn't know something "she doesn't want to know." Unfortunately she has 13 yo DD who she says that to (like if the DD comes home from school with something she's learned blah blah blah SIL will say **I've heard this come from her mouth** "B, I told you before if I don't know I don't want to know!")<br>
Frightening.
 

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What they don't realize is that the reality is usually that the "doc wouldn't have suggested it if they knew the truth." Then there's those pesky hurdles of not getting fired and all for choosing the truth over profits.
 

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I think too many people are afraid of change/the unknown. They'd rather go along with what "everyone else" is doing because it seems safe and acceptable. They know they'll keep their friends, jobs, etc., if they just keep going along with the crowds and not question things too much. Also, people don't like being wrong. If they've been vaxing their kids for forever, and suddenly find out that it's dangerous (especially from someone who's personally had a bad experience), a lot of times they won't want to believe it -- they'll have to admit they were wrong, put their children in dangerous positions, take responsibility for the outcome, etc.
 

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Frustrating as heck.<br><br>
It's sad we are all so damaged. Some of us are able to take a good look at how hurt we are, some of us are not.<br><br>
Just sad all around.
 

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Frankly, I really don't understand why people here are so upset and surprised when "mainstreamers" act freaked out about not vaccinating. Is it really such a bizarre reaction?<br><br>
You know, before I had kids, I considered myself a fairly crunchy person. I planned to bf, planned to use cloth diapers, etc. But I knew hardly anyone with kids and I hadn't been around kids or communities of parents. I consider myself well educated, but I had NEVER HEARD of anyone not vaccinating. I had never heard anything about the dangers of vaccines.Never heard of anyone injured by one, never heard of VAERS. How would I have? And not having heard about the risks, how would I even know to research them? I mean, it's as if someone came up to you and said, "My GOD! You're using manila file folders! Don't you know about the risks?" Say, what?<br><br>
When I was pregnant, I met someone who casually mentioned that she didn't vax her kid. I was majorly taken aback. I was scandalized. I could not believe she would put her child at such risk. I instantly wrote her up as a freak.<br><br>
But I know enough about myself to know that my snap judgements often turn out to be wrong, and this was someone I respected. It stayed in my mind. I started to look into it. Here I am with an unvaxed kid.<br><br>
All I'm saying is, have a little understanding for where people are on their journey. Labeling someone who hasn't even heard anything against vaccines as a "sheeple" is not particularly helpful.
 

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Because it's not a matter of just thinking that person who doesn't like manilla file folders is a nut, they tend to take it way further than that. Children aren't allowed to play with each other, families stop talking to each other. It's not a matter of not knowing to me, it's a matter of people choosing to label you and your family as a deadly disease instead doing a little research on the subject.
 

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I'm sorry you've had to deal with those kinds of situations. But why open yourself up to it by telling your private business to people? I'd talk to anyone about vaxing online. But I'm very selective about who I discuss it with irl.
 

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No one has said this to me, but I know that it's happened to others. Just how exactly do you suppose other parents, or people in general, will ever learn of this stuff? I don't "just" tell people. I never even mention it unless the conversation goes towards that and then only if there's a good reason to. I think it's sad to say that people are opening themselves up to this treatment. That's not right.
 

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You can discuss it in general with people. You can say, "You might be interested in this book about vaccinations I'm reading; It's making me question a few of my assumptions. For instance, the author says...etc." There are ways.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="laugh">: You must live in a very, very open minded area! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> Good for you, but this tactic does NOT work for most people.
 

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I'm pretty selective with who I tell. I have/had (not sure which one now) a friend who acted fine when I told her, but then later e-mailed me that our kids can't be around each other anymore. I have a pregnant friend due any day, who I told because I wanted her to look into it- she thinks I'm crazy. I'm not going to bring my dd to the hospital when I visit after she has her baby, because I'm afraid they'll freak out on me for having her around their newborn. I'm not going to tell anybody else. Too much trouble.
 

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I am very open about not vaccinating on my mainstream board, and I have given a lot of great info, but people just ignore me. It's almost as if they got together and decided to pretend I wasn't there. So I don't think I'm making a difference there. In real life, NOBODY knows, except DH and DD's doctor.
 

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I'm pretty open online and pretty careful who I tell IRL and how I tell it. All my kids are fully vaxed but on a delayed schedual. I'm a lot more open about "we didn't give ds any of his vaccines til he was 2" than I was about "ds hasn't had any vaccines yet."
 
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