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Great article.<br><br>
QUOTE "But what disgraces Islam above all is the vast majority of the planet's Muslims saying nothing and doing nothing about the jihadist cancer eating away at their religion. It is Free Muslims Against Terrorism, a pro-democracy organization, calling on Muslims and Middle Easterners to ''converge on our nation's capital for a rally against terrorism" -- and having only 50 people show up." ENDQUOTE<br><br><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/05/19/why_islam_is_disrespected/" target="_blank">http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi..._disrespected/</a>
 

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Really, I don't know why you just don't bomb all our countries, and force us to convert. Right, some good old ethnic/religious cleansing should take care of us. I mean honestly, because the overwhelming majority of Muslims are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. Horrible, heartless murderers of innocents so why all this beating around the bush? What else is to be done with the religion of satan and hate and the dealt cult and yadda yadda yadda?<br><br>
More on Free Muslims Against Terrorism<br>
(It's def. slanted, but there is still good info. especially in the comments section)<br><a href="http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2005/05/new_muslim_grou.php" target="_blank">http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/arc...uslim_grou.php</a><br><br>
Something with a bit more insight on the riots:<br><a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/May/13-299433.html" target="_blank">http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2...13-299433.html</a><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/26/opinion/26chayes.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/26/opinion/26chayes.html</a><br><a href="http://living-tradition.blogspot.com/2005/05/powder-keg-of-war.html" target="_blank">http://living-tradition.blogspot.com...eg-of-war.html</a>
 

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Definitely thought provoking....I think within a modern context, the writer is right, other mainstream religions are not engaging in holy war to the same extent, or in the same way, as Islam is now. Of course, that's only true if we ignore similar behavior and rhetoric in our own country by Christian fundamentalists: The bombing and intimidation of abortion clinics and staff, and the inflammatory speech of Phelps and his kind, condemning homosexuals to death in the name of god. However, if you take a historical perspective, this just isn't so. The other major mainstream religions have only recently renounced their use of violence to advance their objectives and "defend their faith." Think: the Inquisition and the Crusades. (I have been wondering if Buddhists, at any point in history, have ever tried to compel anyone to do anything??) So, besides the Buddhists, I don't think any mainstream religion is beyond reproach when it comes to the use of violence.
 

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from the article:<br><br>
"Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain. But when Reuters reported what Mohammad Hanif, the imam of a Muslim seminary in Pakistan, said about the alleged Koran-flushers -- ''They should be hung. They should be killed in public so that no one can dare to insult Islam and its sacred symbols" -- was any reader surprised?"<br><br>
Um, yes they do. Some would argue that our presence in the middle east now is a lashing out and certianly the crusades were. "mainstream" Christianity as a whole doesn't have a great track record in the no violence department........and I do believe that Israel as a state has not exactly gone the peace and diplomacy route with Palestine for years.<br><br>
While I think the article raises some interesting points, it does so in quite an incindiary and ignorant manner. Claiming that Islam is the only religion that ever resorts to violence to defend or further it's cause is ignorant at best and bigoted at worst.
 

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Er.....this "article" is really an editorial. Same thing? Maybe--but whatever. But what a piece of racist and historically inacurate crap.<br><br>
Whoohooo. Let's all blame the Muslim terrorists for the world's ills. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"><br><br><br><br><br>
My question is: who owns this newspaper? And who is this columnist?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some would argue that our presence in the middle east now is a lashing out and certianly the crusades were. "mainstream" Christianity as a whole doesn't have a great track record in the no violence department........and I do believe that Israel as a state has not exactly gone the peace and diplomacy route with Palestine for years.<br><br>
While I think the article raises some interesting points, it does so in quite an incindiary and ignorant manner. Claiming that Islam is the only religion that ever resorts to violence to defend or further it's cause is ignorant at best and bigoted at worst.</div>
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I totally agree with you. This article is a futile, simplistic editorial to a century-long problem.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">from the article:<br><br>
"Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain. But when Reuters reported what Mohammad Hanif, the imam of a Muslim seminary in Pakistan, said about the alleged Koran-flushers -- ''They should be hung. They should be killed in public so that no one can dare to insult Islam and its sacred symbols" -- was any reader surprised?"<br><br>
Um, yes they do. Some would argue that our presence in the middle east now is a lashing out and certianly the crusades were. "mainstream" Christianity as a whole doesn't have a great track record in the no violence department........and I do believe that Israel as a state has not exactly gone the peace and diplomacy route with Palestine for years.<br><br>
While I think the article raises some interesting points, it does so in quite an incindiary and ignorant manner. Claiming that Islam is the only religion that ever resorts to violence to defend or further it's cause is ignorant at best and bigoted at worst.</div>
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what an exceptionally narrowminded view of the world one must have to pinpoint Islam as the most violent religion.<br><br>
just in case you haven't noticed: <i>the leaders of this country are trying to brainwash you into fighting a religious war that WE started!!!!</i>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Definitely thought provoking....I think within a modern context, the writer is right, other mainstream religions are not engaging in holy war to the same extent, or in the same way, as Islam is now.</div>
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Religions don't engage in violence. Personally, I've never met Islam and I've been Muslim for a looong time. I've met lots of Muslims, but never Islam. Islam doesn't engage in anything people do. If you take a look at the history of the Middle East in particular and much of the Muslim world you will see that this isn't about religion. Religion is a motivation, a rallying cry for the same thing that people in every country all over the world want, economic and social justice.<br><br>
A lot of people are currently, as I type, engaging in all sorts of atrocious human rights violations in the name of religion. The Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda (previously known as Uganda Peoples’ Democratic Christian Army) is responsible for the death of thousands and the kidnapping, enslavement and rape of hundreds of boys (to be used as solidiers) and women across the country done in the name of Christianity. Actually their leader has stated that his specific aim is to overthrow the Ugandan government in order to install one based on the Ten Commandments. But no one gives a flying &*#! about Africa, and well, it's not politically expedient to highlight the atrocities done in the name of other religions, especially not when it's in the name of Christ. The Catholic church is under scrutiny because of its complicity during the Rwandan genocide, but in truth the sin is much greater than complicity because many priests actually *helped* in the slaughter of Tutsis. Two were even convicted and sentenced to death. To the extent that there was a HUGE upsurge in conversion to Islam in Rwanda after the genocide. Why? Well according to <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html" target="_blank">this</a> article, "<i>Many converts say they chose Islam because of the role that some Catholic and Protestant leaders played in the genocide. Human rights groups have documented several incidents in which Christian clerics allowed Tutsis to seek refuge in churches, then surrendered them to Hutu death squads, as well as instances of Hutu priests and ministers encouraging their congregations to kill Tutsis. Today some churches serve as memorials to the many people slaughtered among their pews.</i>"<br><br>
Remember Gujarat? It was just a few years ago when hundreds of Muslims were murdered by Hindu extremists.<br><br>
Why am I pointing this out? Because no one else does, and frankly I'm sick of the lie, and yes it is a lie because HUNDREDS of Muslim groups condemened the 9-11 attacks (see here) and did so very publically as in sending out press releases, putting notices up on their websites, doing interviews for local newspapers etc. And the hate-mongers on the right continue to perpetrate the lie that Muslims don't speak out against violence. They forget the sponteaneous candlelight vigils held in IRAN in sympathy with Americans. It happens all over all the time. Just because Fox doesn't report it doesn't mean it ain't happening.
 

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You know what, nevermind, I'm not even up for this. I think we all know where this thread is going to go....why else post a link to such an inflammatory, bigoted, editorial?
 

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I heard about this a while back and this is the only link I can find about it. Forgive the questionable source please... I remember seing it somewhere more mainstream last year but can't find it.<br><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/spai-a12_prn.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/au...-a12_prn.shtml</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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the article linked in the OP is a shocking peice of racist trash, in my opinion. I'm really sick of this stuff. We-the great united States, final super power in the world, empire, go around the world crushing people's liberatory movements, forcing the entire freakin world to conform to our economic systems and submit to our every little wish or we'll bomb 'em to smithereens...<br><br>
ah, fergit it, i get so angry about this crap that i can't be all that coherent.<br><br>
Bigotry hurts us all, but I am really sad that our muslim sisters have to encounter this hateful crap on this board.
 

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This isn't entirely on-topic, but in digging around (read: procrastinating from doing my WAHM stuff) tonight I found this site, <a href="http://www.freemuslims.org/" target="_blank">http://www.freemuslims.org/</a>, which I found pleasant and positive enough, but then was most interested to find on it <a href="http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/israel-palestine.php" target="_blank">a truly unique solution/suggestion in re the Israel/Palestinian conflict</a>. Or at least one I'd never heard considered or mentioned anywhere ever.<br><br>
Really, very interesting.<br><br>
Okay, that was a digression ...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">the article linked in the OP is a shocking peice of racist trash, in my opinion.</div>
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Um, yeah. I just found this thread and I'm really surprised it is allowed. I'd like to see MDC censorship talent put to good use - delete delete delete!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Could you tell us more about why you enjoyed this article, Dallaschildren?</div>
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Good question, I'd like to hear more.<br><br>
mahdokht, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> I have no words, the are no comfort when comes up against this type of stuff from other mothers... or anyone, really.<br><br>
Sadie I adore you, more than you know. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">from the article:<br><br>
"Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain. But when Reuters reported what Mohammad Hanif, the imam of a Muslim seminary in Pakistan, said about the alleged Koran-flushers -- ''They should be hung. They should be killed in public so that no one can dare to insult Islam and its sacred symbols" -- was any reader surprised?"<br><br>
Um, yes they do. Some would argue that our presence in the middle east now is a lashing out and certianly the crusades were. "mainstream" Christianity as a whole doesn't have a great track record in the no violence department........and I do believe that Israel as a state has not exactly gone the peace and diplomacy route with Palestine for years.<br><br>
While I think the article raises some interesting points, it does so in quite an incindiary and ignorant manner. Claiming that Islam is the only religion that ever resorts to violence to defend or further it's cause is ignorant at best and bigoted at worst.</div>
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This post has bothered me, BTW. Because Israel has not "lashed out" because "its religion was insulted." Heck, Israelis insult their own religion better than anyone else in the world on a daily basis.<br><br>
There is no analogy to be made there. Apples and oranges. Different entirely. No relevance.<br><br>
Particularly considering the Jewish Israelis and the Muslim Arab Israelis aren't butchering each other. And Muslim Arab Israelis (specifically Bedouin) serve in the Israeli military, being killed alongside Jewish Israelis. In Israel it's *not* a religion thing.<br><br>
It's very easy to just say "Israel ... Palestinian" in any discussion of anything in the Middle East and have lots of people nod, yeah, right, of course ... despite the fact that it's irrelevant. Which is only evidence that people have to read more ...<br><br>
Go and learn.
 

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Not sure how relevant this is, but I'm from N. Ireland originally and often people have asked what religion I am, as though it puts me on one side or the other. I've spent a lot of time explaining that The Troubles aren't/weren't about religion,they're about division of power. No one has been fighting over doctrine or theology but about self-determination, so what has religion got to do with it? It really minimizes the issues at hand, just saying it religion X vs. religion Y, when it's really about the right to live freely without outside interference.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not sure how relevant this is, but I'm from N. Ireland originally and often people have asked what religion I am, as though it puts me on one side or the other. I've spent a lot of time explaining that The Troubles aren't/weren't about religion,they're about division of power. No one has been fighting over doctrine or theology but about self-determination, so what has religion got to do with it? It really minimizes the issues at hand, just saying it religion X vs. religion Y, when it's really about the right to live freely without outside interference.</div>
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Yes, it wouldn't be terribly helpful if we talked about Catholic terrorists instead of the IRA (as an example). The IRA are a political organisation but, like is happening here, we could reduce it to religion, and that would get us nowhere.
 
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