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I was just talking to an e-friend. Both of us are extremely low risk for cervical cancer- only one sexual partner, long term monagamous relationships, both of our husbands have only been intimate with us... etc.<br><br>
I see NO value in getting a vaccine to prevent something I am not at all likely to contract. Why is she plannign to get it in a few months? Because she could be raped and catch HPV from the rapist.<br><br>
How do people come up with this stuff?!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why is she plannign to get it in a few months? Because she could be raped and catch HPV from the rapist.<br><br>
How do people come up with this stuff?!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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Isn't it amazing how, with the licensure of Gardasil, HPV has suddenly become a sentence of death.
 

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Here's some of the reasoning we've heard here:<br><br><i>I'm not going to be able to force my daughter to get pap smears when she's older<br><br>
I've heard a biopsy is more painful than childbirth<br><br>
If it could save my daughter the humiliation of having to go through what I did</i>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Here's some of the reasoning we've heard here:<br><br><i>I've heard a biopsy is more painful than childbirth</i></div>
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Huh?? That's nuts! I had a cervical biopsy and it wasn't that bad. They put you out for it. It wasn't fun, but it's better than some of the Gardasil reported side effects...
 

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If you believe what the media tells you, then you will get the vaccine.<br><br>
IMHO, Gardisil fits right into the whole pink movement around Breast Cancer. Lung cancer kills more women, but there is more money to be made in the pink campaign. In the same way that Breast Cancer is misrepresented in the media, so is Gardisil. I'm sure LI can list the million and one factual inaccuracies that are used to make it seem a bigger killer of women than it is. Never mind that it's not in the top 10. Look at the decreasing trends in cervical ca before the vax even came out on Seer <a href="http://seer.cancer.gov/faststats/" target="_blank">http://seer.cancer.gov/faststats/</a><br><br>
I am such a newbie to the world of vaccine info, but I can't imagine it is much different than the regular world of drug research and marketing. Pharma has changed its marketing campaign. Direct to Consumer Advertising (only US/NewZeland allows DTCA!) is now 10 years old, and they are feeling a backlash of sorts from physicians. The AMA finally came out after a decade to ask that the industry wait before they market a drug to the public so physicians can review the information.<br><br>
I wish they would have done a study to see who talks about Gardisil at a visit, the patient or the physician? The odds are that if you ask for a med, you are likely to walk out the door with a script for it 60-75% of the time. And since 70% of the scripts are written by 30% of practitioners, it's not hard to do the math.
 

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It's funny how safe sex practices and careful chosing of sex partners are enough...until a vax is invented, and then if you don't get it, you're at risk...even though it only 'protects' against a SMALL number of the MANY strains of HPV anyway. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I was just talking to an e-friend. Both of us are extremely low risk for cervical cancer- only one sexual partner, long term monagamous relationships, both of our husbands have only been intimate with us... etc.<br><br>
I see NO value in getting a vaccine to prevent something I am not at all likely to contract. Why is she plannign to get it in a few months? Because she could be raped and catch HPV from the rapist.<br><br>
How do people come up with this stuff?!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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Well, you better shoot her too, you know, in case she gets shot by that rapist, she'll know what to expect.
 

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I bet my cousin wishes her mother had had the choice to give her Gardisil. Unfortunatley it wasnt around 3 years ago when she died of cervical cancer, aged 27. Her only sexual partner, her loving DH misses her dearly. As do her two babies.<br><br>
I'll be getting it for my daughter.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It's funny how safe sex practices and careful chosing of sex partners are enough...until a vax is invented, and then if you don't get it, you're at risk...even though it only 'protects' against a SMALL number of the MANY strains of HPV anyway. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:</div>
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It's funny that lots of women who are either virgins or monogamous get HPV. Huh. How does that happen! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: It's funny that people would try to imply that anyone MORAL enough won't get HPV when it is not, in fact, the case. Whatever the vax may be, please don't allow HPV to be one more way for women to fight amongst themselves.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I bet my cousin wishes her mother had had the choice to give her Gardisil. Unfortunatley it wasnt around 3 years ago when she died of cervical cancer, aged 27. Her only sexual partner, her loving DH misses her dearly. As do her two babies.<br><br>
I'll be getting it for my daughter.</div>
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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> I'm sorry for your loss.<br>
How do you know that she had a strain that would've been covered by the vax?<br>
And I didn't know that ALL cases of cervical cancer were caused by HPV?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> I'm sorry for your loss.<br>
How do you know that she had a strain that would've been covered by the vax?<br>
And I didn't know that ALL cases of cervical cancer were caused by HPV?</div>
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i too am sad for your loss. just wanted to be sure you understood that gardasil will not protect your daughter from all cases of hpv induced cervical cancer. it only covers 2 of the 30 some odd strains that are high risk, and no one knows which strains may become more virulent after knocking out the two biggest takers (16,18). also, no one knows how long the vax may be effective - most vaxes lose potency over time. please, please be sure to emphasize the importance of regular pap smears and follow ups after abnormalities to your daughter. paps are still the best defense against developing cervical cancer and cannot be skipped even if you do get Gardasil.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> I'm sorry for your loss.<br>
How do you know that she had a strain that would've been covered by the vax?<br>
And I didn't know that ALL cases of cervical cancer were caused by HPV?</div>
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Sorry for your loss, as well.<br><br>
Did she also get regular pap smears?
 

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Snork, sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine! It must be heartbreaking.<br><br>
Here are my criteria for getting the vax:<br>
1. It must be out a min. of 7-10 years before I'd even consider it. I feel that if they give it to 16 year olds now, in 10 years those 16 year olds will be 26, and if there is an increase in birth defects or fertility issues, those will begin to surface in that timeframe. I just don't want to give it to my girls NOW, and have them be one of the "testers" for it.<br><br>
2. I also need more info on exactly WHAT percentage of women come in contact w/ those 4 strains AFTER getting the vax, and how they fared vs. women who did not get the vax. I think this is very important info! This is IMO the ONLY way to see if the vax really works. So many women get HPV and are fine after 2 years, of the women vaxed, how do we know how many of them would have been infected and got CC from it? My guess is VERY few! We need a bigger "test group" (and that's what we are getting by licensing the vax and distributing it to the public)<br><br>
3. I would have to be "at risk" for CC, meaning I skippped paps and had multiple partners. I know this is not the only way to get HPV, but thosea re the at risk groups. I have only been w/ DH and he has only been w/ me. I am not at risk. My girls will decide for themselves when theya re 18 if they need this vax or not.<br><br>
I guess that sums it up. If I were sure it were safe, effective, and I was at risk, then I may consider getting it. Right now I do not know those things, so I could not get it, or let my girls get it.
 

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HPV is not strictly an STD, it can be spread in a number of ways, though not typically by "casual contact", like chickenpox. Some women seem to pass it to their children unknowingly, so it kinda winds up running in families. So I am unwilling to turn the conversation into a moral argument as it really isn't very fair. Gardasil is supposed to cover the 4(?) most common strains of the virus that are responsible for something like 90% (not sure about the specific #) of cases of cervical cancer.<br><br>
But, like most of the vaccines, it remains to be seen what may happen to the epidemiology of this disease down the road as a result of selective pressure caused by the vaccine.<br><br>
And what gets me the most about this is that we are assuming that prevention of HPV infection by vaccine will then prevent cervical cancer. This seems to be a HUGE assumption to me, what if it the vaccine doesn't prevent cervical cancer at all??
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would get Guardasil if I was a sex worker or someone who had lots and lots of promiscuous s*x.</div>
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If this is the case, they probably already have HPV. In which case, they SHOULD NOT get it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Some women seem to pass it to their children unknowingly, so it kinda winds up running in families.</div>
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Very true, and one of the things that makes the vaccine so dangerous. In cases where the person being vaccinated already HAS HPV (as a 12 yr old might if they got it from their mom) then the vax has been shown to CAUSE cancer.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Gardasil is supposed to cover the 4(?) most common strains of the virus that are responsible for something like 90% (not sure about the specific #) of cases of cervical cancer.</div>
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It "covers" <b>TWO (2) strains</b> of the virus they believe are responsible for <b>70% of cervical cancer</b> cases.<br><br>
The other two strains "cover" <b>90% of genital wart</b> cases.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm sure LI can list the million and one factual inaccuracies that are used to make it seem a bigger killer of women than it is. Never mind that it's not in the top 10.</div>
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<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/2004HPV%20Report.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/2004HPV%20Report.pdf</a><br><br><i>Cervical cancer is an uncommon consequence of HPV infection in women, especially if they are screened for cancer regularly with Pap tests and have appropriate follow-up of abnormalities.</i><br><br>
*************<br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm</a><br><br><i>Most women who develop invasive cervical cancer have not had regular cervical cancer screening.</i><br><br>
*************<br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/HPVProviderSurveyExecSum.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/HPVProviderSurveyExecSum.pdf</a><br><br><i>Fortunately, most genital HPV infections are transient, do not produce recognizable signs, and do not result in clinically recognizable or clinically important conditions. Moreover, most HPV infections clear without any medical intervention within two years of infection.</i><br><br>
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From the American Cancer Society (it's a little outdated, but you get the point):<br><br><i>Cervical cancer was once one of the most common causes of cancer death for American women. Between 1955 and 1992, the number of cervical cancer deaths in the United States dropped by 74%. The main reason for this change is the increased use of the Pap test.</i>
 

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My question, & maybe it has been covered, is<br><br>
When testing their subjects.......did they tell them to have unprotected sex to see if the vaccine would help against those strains?<br>
In a day a day & age where SAFE sex has been stressed moreso (since AIDS)<br><br>
How do they know that these girls didn't get one of the 4 strains because they were having PROTECTED sex, vs the vaccine actually working.<br><br>
BTW, that's not to say I think everyone is practicing safe sex. I'm not that naive<br>
Did that make any sense?
 
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