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Sort of a spinoff of the other WIC thread...<br><br>
I've seen a lot of posts from people who work at WIC, or who used to, and I was wondering when a mom says she plans to ff, is she ever asked why? Or do they not press the issue?<br><br>
My thought was that all WIC employees could work to encourage bf among moms who ordinarily wouldn't, by finding out the most common reasons why they don't and convincing them that they could still make it work.
 

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I don't work for WIC, but I do have to go to the office every two months. I guess in the office I go to they are so used to ffing that they just assume everyone does it. On one visit I was given a sheet on how to mix formula which I gave back to them and stressed that I was BFing. Another time I was asked how many ounces DS eats at a time? I was like "I'm bfing" and they told me to guess how many ounces :LOL . I've never been offered any support or literature re bfing, but they are always trying to give me stuff on ffing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
You know what really gets me though is that my BFing is not supported even though it is way cheaper for them, but DD has a doc note that she is allergic to dairy and they won't let me get soy (or alternative) products for her <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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I'm a wic BF councelor and i try my best to contact every mom that is pregnant no matter what is says i her chart, some times the nurses/ nutrionalist will try to "help" me out by putting in the computer "this mom says she is going to bottle feed" but i still call her and inviter her to an i"nfant feeding class" which is a breastfeeding class but with a differant name. If she refuses to come then i will ask why she's choicing this path. And so far i've gotten all the "normal answers" and have yet to change any of their minds, but those that are "undesided" in the computer i will say i can talk "most" into giving nursing a try. I've heard, the "reason" well i didnt' bf my first so why this one, the first is smart; I dont' have time; Dh doesn't want me to do that (then i have a great video for dads if they will come to the office with mom); it can be a depressing job for someone who values breastfeeding as much as i do but to help one mom become sucessful and to breastfeed for a good amount of time makes me feel a little better.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You know what really gets me though is that my BFing is not supported even though it is way cheaper for them, but DD has a doc note that she is allergic to dairy and they won't let me get soy (or alternative) products for her <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"></div>
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That is BS!
 

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The WIC offices that I have been to are very supportive of bfing. They never have offered me any info on ffing and tons of packets on bfing. They are also really big on commending mamas who nurse pat the 6 month mark.
 

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There was a government panel or something that came out recently and said WIC should support BF more, stop pushing the dairy and offer dairy alternatives, read about it at this link<br><br><a href="http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/fitness/articles/2005/04/28/nutrition_panel_suggests_updating_wic_offerings/" target="_blank">http://www.boston.com/yourlife/healt...wic_offerings/</a><br><br>
(What a drag, now you have to register for the story, I'll see if I can find it somewhere else)
 

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Found another source<br><a href="http://www.bakingbusiness.com/headline_stories.asp?ArticleID=74202" target="_blank">http://www.bakingbusiness.com/headli...rticleID=74202</a>
 

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Th WIC office here doesn't mince words about breastfeeding. I have heard the director say, "Poor baby, " to a mom who told her she planned on exclusively formula feeding.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Th WIC office here doesn't mince words about breastfeeding. I have heard the director say, "Poor baby, " to a mom who told her she planned on exclusively formula feeding.</div>
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When I was pregnant, I was required to take a breastfeeding information class in order to get my vouchers. They said every pg mom has to take the class and get the information. I thought that was cool.
 

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I think it varies from location to location. I work in a perinatal clinic that houses a WIC office and the dietician almost never inquires as to why. This irks me for several reasons, but mostly, this is information that is needed to help both me and the childbirth education! However, when I, as the social worker, am doing the assessment I ask and always try to dialogue with them about whether or not they plan to breastfeed. It's a great time for education and to further prop up breastfeeding where I can.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">When I was pregnant, I was required to take a breastfeeding information class in order to get my vouchers. They said every pg mom has to take the class and get the information. I thought that was cool.</div>
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I was required to take a class like that too. What an insane waste of time! The video was good in showing proper latch. There was no talk of problems that may arise or support. I even mentioned the issues I had with trying to bf my ds, and it was just blown off. Honestly, my dh would have been a better teacher for the class.
 

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I just got home from the WIC office because I was re-certifying and I asked the BFing counselor about their BFing policies--she told me that in a woman's third trimester they will give her a packet of info about bfing. Then the bfing counselor will check on another appt to see if the mom is planning on bfing. If she is the counselor will give her some more info, if not, then they don't push the issue because, "The state has a contract with the formula companies and they do not want BFing pushed too hard, so if a woman says she is going to formula feed, they just give her the coupons"--seriously, that is what she told me!!!!<br><br>
I did ask them about milk alternatives today and they told me that the rules for WIC are made by the USDA--which is run by dairy farmers, so they suggested writing letters to the state WIC office. They did say I could get evaported Goat's milk, but then we would lose DD's peanut butter, eggs, and beans. I'm planning on writing that letter tonight to the state about supporting Alternative milk products and maybe I will put something in there about other states offering BFing support services.
 

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At my WIC office, I got a "how to Wean" packet at DD's 1 year visit. There is one great supportive dietician, and one that is horrid. When I asked the good dietician why there wasn't more about the benefits of breastfeeding posted, she replied that since a lot of the moms worked, they considered it a success if they could even get them to try to bf. Our office dosn't have pumps available. It's frustrating, but I always have Kelsey in advocacy wear and NIP when I am there, to try to let the other women at least see what breastfeeding can be like.
 

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It so scary to see how some of the other clinics oporate since it's a state to state basis. And for Pumps to not be avaliable that's just NUTS!!! And for formula companies to influance how hard WIC "pushes" a mom to breastfeed makes me sick. I also always bring dd to the office with me and nurse her in the office while "waiting".
 

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They shouldn't make it so hard to get pumps. When I asked for one, I was told that I didn't qualify since I had a hand pump. But I could only get 4 oz a day with that, and was a fulltime student and dd was having to get formula. I explained this, and was told to pump at school. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
Finally another worker told me there was a class I could take to "see if I qualify" for a pump...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> And then later another worker just gave me one! How hard could that have been?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">They shouldn't make it so hard to get pumps. When I asked for one, I was told that I didn't qualify since I had a hand pump. But I could only get 4 oz a day with that, and was a fulltime student and dd was having to get formula. I explained this, and was told to pump at school. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
Finally another worker told me there was a class I could take to "see if I qualify" for a pump...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> And then later another worker just gave me one! How hard could that have been?</div>
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That is awful!!! Our office has a form to fill out that "helps" us deside what pump would best suit the situations but in your sisituation you needed an electric pump to keep our supply up while going to school that's so sad. And a class to take in order to get a pump that's just nuts!!!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If she is the counselor will give her some more info, if not, then they don't push the issue because, "The state has a contract with the formula companies and they do not want BFing pushed too hard, so if a woman says she is going to formula feed, they just give her the coupons"--seriously, that is what she told me!!!!</div>
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Ding! Ding! We have a winner!.... I'm sorry - but this is EXACTLY the reason why WIC is pro-ffing. Theoretically, bfing is cheaper than ffing, but only if you aren't in the pocket of the artificial baby food companies.
 

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Our office dosn't have pumps available.~Zerby<br><br>
Our WIC office does have breast pumps. I started getting the pump at 4 months, eventhough I stay home. I teach 1 yoga class a week and my daughter stays with my husband, so the pump was great. And we didn't have to pay for it. I don't take advantage of all of the things that WIC offers, since we do organic groceries, and you can't buy those. However, now that my daughter is a year I don't think we will go back at all. I have to turn in the breast pump and can't continue to keep it. When asked why they said that I should wean her at a year and start giving her cows milk!!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
Haven't quite decided whether we want to introduce cow or soy milk, but I am NOT going to stop bfing. Anyone else have a take on why no pumps at a year?
 
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