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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7292565.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7292565.stm</a><br><br>
Ummmmmmmmmm?????????<br><br>
So around 25% of women in England end up with an epidural but many didn't plan on having it yadda yadda yadda...... I fail to see any mention here of whether any were induced etc etc etc etc........<br><br>
And really, how comfortable can you get in your own labour when yyou can hear screams from down the hallway (my experience with my first, was not pleasant and freaked both DH and I out), when the MWs leave you by yourselves so they can go eat the ever important crisps etc etc etc etc...........<br><br>
Aaaaaaaaargh, and of course they add a bit about the whole having your teeth pulled without anaesthetic..... No, I wouldn't have my teeth pulled without anaesthetic, but giving birth is hardly having a tooth pulled out is it?
 

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The whole article just had me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"><br><br>
When I gave birth to my dd, I was in the antenatal room <i>alone</i>. And induced. It would have been nice to at least have my husband there to hold my hand, rub my belly and have someone to swear at. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/Sheepish.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Sheepish">: But nooooo he wasn't allowed in, only in the delivery room. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
So this time around, I'm staying home.
 

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Well, I wouldn't have a tooth pulled numbed or not...I actually let one rot out of my head about 2 yrs. ago I was so scared to have it pulled. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br><br>
Birth scares me less...and, clearly, I'm someone with issues! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="laugh">:
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
I had wonderful midwifes who were with me throughout the entire labour... in fact, one young medical student work a double shift to stay with me until the end. She may have stuck the wrong sized needle in the back of my hand, but otherwise she was fantastically supportive <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Anyway, I tend to think that birth, regardless of method should be about individual choice.<br><br>
Peace <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Heck of a lot better than the states. I think its closer to 80% here get an epidural. An even higher number get a painkiller of some kind.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Heck of a lot better than the states. <b>I think its closer to 80% here get an epidural.</b> An even higher number get a painkiller of some kind.</div>
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Really?! I didn't know it was THAT high! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jaw2">
 

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Some areas it's in the 90's. Pretty much the only people who don't get epidurals in some places are the ones who have precipitous births or are allergic to one of the epidural meds.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Heck of a lot better than the states. I think its closer to 80% here get an epidural. An even higher number get a painkiller of some kind.</div>
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I noticed that, too! I was impressed at only 25%, compared to our high rates here in the US...
 

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It is 80% at my local hospital. With DS1 about 10 medical residents came in without my permission to watch my natural, drug-free birth<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: I guess they don't see them much.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The whole article just had me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"><br><br>
When I gave birth to my dd, I was in the antenatal room <i>alone</i>. And induced. It would have been nice to at least have my husband there to hold my hand, rub my belly and have someone to swear at. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/Sheepish.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Sheepish">: But nooooo he wasn't allowed in, only in the delivery room. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
So this time around, I'm staying home.</div>
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Good grief--sounds like the dark ages. I'd stay home, too!
 

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I hate hearing Brits complain about health care. Yeah, it sucks, but just think: if your ancestors had been religious fanatics, you could have an 80% epidural rate and 30% c-section rate. Lucky for you, they sucked up to the King and Church and there you are, with your National Health.<br><br>
Oh, I know, national health sucks. Like, instead of waiting until you have money to get an operation (which will be never), you have to wait two years.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"><br><br>
No, seriously, that does suck. I wish our system sucked like that, though.<br><br>
Oh, you guys. I just read the article. If that was published in the US they'd accuse them of communism. I know that the BBC is supposedly super-biased but you are lucky to have it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, I wouldn't have a tooth pulled numbed or not...I actually let one rot out of my head about 2 yrs. ago I was so scared to have it pulled. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><br><br>
Birth scares me less...and, clearly, I'm someone with issues! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="laugh">:</div>
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me too...but ive had 3 pulled and am going to be thoroughly screwed if i dont have a few fixed(filled/rc) soon i regularly say i would much rather give birth w/ no drugs vaginally( my first was pit induced, 2nd completely natural uc) 10 more times than have my teeth fixed...and you better believe i take the 4 or 5 shots it takes to numb me! how stupid!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I hate hearing Brits complain about health care. Yeah, it sucks, but just think: if your ancestors had been religious fanatics, you could have an 80% epidural rate and 30% c-section rate. Lucky for you, they sucked up to the King and Church and there you are, with your National Health.</div>
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I am pretty sure that some of your ancestors actually came from over here........... And ALL our ancestors were religous fanatics.......<br><br>
Yeah, we may be lucky, we have free health care, but you know what???? Just cos its free doesn't mean it is ok to suffer at the hands of it.<br><br>
Women being turned away from hospitals while in Labour, not being treated until its absolutely necessary, old people being left to starve because no one has the time to feed them due to staff shortages yadda yadda yadda...... Now, if it was your wife, or your parents that died as a result of this kinda crap, I am pretty sure you would feel you had the right to complain.<br><br>
Yeah, I think the American system sucks, but ours isn't great either.<br><br>
ETA: And seeing as though we all pay into it, I think we have a right to complain when the NHS is mismanaged, when we aren't treated accordingly etc etc etc. If it were completely free, then yeah, I can see how it would be wrong to complain, but as t is, it isn't completely free.
 

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I never really understand the media hype of the failing NHS, when, consistently, patient polls find satisfaction with the services -<br><br>
The <a href="http://www.healthcarecommission.org.uk/homepage.cfm" target="_blank">Health Care Commission</a> undertakes regular surveys of patients' opinions of the NHS. In its most recent survey (2006), experience of hospitals in England was rated by those who responded to the surveys as follows:<br>
“excellent” (41%),<br>
“very good (36%)”,<br>
“good”(15%),<br>
“fair” (6%)<br>
and “poor” (2%).<br><br>
In this <a href="http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/2004/pdf/nhs-public-perceptions-winter-2004.pdf" target="_blank">IPSOS-MORI poll</a> 78% of respondents chose the statement "The NHS is crucial to British society and we must do everything to maintain it",<br>
20% chose "The NHS was a great project but we cannot maintain it in its current form".<br><br>
It's worth noting as well that NO political party in the UK proposes removing the NHS. They all have their own take on things that need to be tweaked, but nobody ever suggests removing universal health care, even the fringe parties.<br><br>
So - I don't know - can the NHS really be so terrible?<br><br>
(I copied & pasted this from another I made on a thread about Sicko rather than go & do new research!)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So - I don't know - can the NHS really be so terrible?<br></div>
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Ok, ummmmm...... Short answer, yes.
 

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She may have stuck the wrong sized needle in the back of my hand, but otherwise she was fantastically supportive <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">)</div>
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The med student I had also put the wrong size needle (14 g in the back of my hand OW!) and my midwife was also very supportive and present the whole time - that is when I lived in Essex, UK.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I hate hearing Brits complain about health care. Yeah, it sucks, but just think: if your ancestors had been religious fanatics, you could have an 80% epidural rate and 30% c-section rate. Lucky for you, they sucked up to the King and Church and there you are, with your National Health.<br>
Oh, I know, national health sucks. Like, instead of waiting until you have money to get an operation (which will be never), you have to wait two years.<br>
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I am smiling at your style of writing about the ancestors.<br><br>
Really, though, I live in Buckinghamshire, UK (actually in a 'posh' area) right now, and I am 36 weeks pregnant, and I have not been able to get a midwife appointment since I was 29 weeks AND No one has come to work out my homebirth plan, yet.<br><br>
We moved here from the US, and REALLY the amount you pay in taxes here, We could pay for the blue cross/blue shield premium insurance plan back in the states. We never realized how great the opportunities are in the US until we moved here. The US has amazing resources/space/taxes benefitting individuals to flourish. The UK - while I love living here, and the standard of living is high - does not offer that same ease or facilitation for individuals to get ahead.<br><br>
jme,
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Ok, ummmmm...... Short answer, yes.</div>
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Well - my point was really that anecdotal evidence is pretty pointless when it comes to discussing a service for 60 million people. Hence I tried to find evidence based research.
 

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All you need to do is have a look around the BBC website to find loads of cases of drugs that could potentially help people/save lives not being given on the grounds of cost (yet at the same time they can fork out thousands for unnecessary managers), waiting times for Ops, crap maternity care that is in fact putting mothers and babies at risk, really awful lack of mental health care, awful dentist services etc etc etc etc etc.......... The lists go on and on and on.<br><br>
And yeah, some anecdotal evidence - I was referred to psychiatry at the beginning of January due to suicidal feelings......... It has been nearly 3 months, and nothing. There are days when I wonder how I manage to hang on, but I am, just, and yet there is still nothing. I can't take anti dperessants because they make it worse, the waiting list for a counsellor etc is at least 6 months. My referral was supposed to be urgent........ And whats worse, I am not the only one...........<br><br>
There is more but I am too tired right now (I am 'supposed' to have regular rheumy appointments etc for Fibro and EDS but due to 'costs' I can't have what I need so I am basically just left to it, unless I want to go private which I can't afford, about the only thing I do get is pain relief).
 
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