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I have some questions about MMR. We fully vax DS and he has recieved all his vaccinations up to 15 months, however the hype surrounding MMR has scared me a little bit.<br><br>
I have read that they now believe that there is no connection between the MMR vax and Autism, and even the publisher of the original study has recanted his findings, but it doesn't really do much to put my mind at ease.<br><br>
My question is, if I can get these vaccinations seperately is that likely to reduce any risks (if there are any at all)<br><br>
Thanks for your help. I'm really funny about this because the thought that there is a slight chance I could cause my son to develop Autism is scaring the bejesus about of me!
 

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The MMR is linked to autism because of the measles virus component. Supposedly splitting up the components reduces risk because then you're not injecting three live viruses at the same time, but it's the live measles virus itself that has been associated with autism. If you put in "measles autism" on PubMed or Google Scholar you will find a few studies that have found elevated antibodies to the measles virus in children with autism, and Wakefield's findings were replicated by at least one researcher...Krigsman from Thoughtful House, I think.<br><br>
Obviously all of this is controversial but the issue of the association of the measles virus with autism is far from settled although some sources would have you think otherwise.
 

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Mamakay put it best:<br><br><i>All of them did besides Andrew Wakefield.<br><br>
The thing is, though, that they never retracted the finding of the measles virus in the guts of autistic kids. <b>What they retracted was the logical conclusion that the measles virus was *causing* those kid's autism.</b><br><br>
Big difference there.<br><br>
Somehow the media and doctors took there retraction as being a retraction of the finding of the virus. But it wasn't. They just said "Oh, well, maybe we did jump the gun there by saying the measles vaccine was causing autism in these kids".</i>
 

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I just want to tell you that you do not have to continue to vaccinate. Not at all. There is no such thing as 'finishing' a series.<br><br>
We vaccinated up to 15 mo. and then stopped. He is 10 yrs old now and never received another injection.<br><br>
The measles vaccine was generally the 'final straw' to an overloaded immune system. It was not that the measles vaccine per se caused autims.<br><br>
But vaccine measles are found to be growing in pockets in the gut of autistic children, which is also why most of them have also huge gut issues.<br><br>
Poor kids!
 

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<a href="http://poisonevercure.150m.com/ingredients.htm" target="_blank">http://poisonevercure.150m.com/ingredients.htm</a><br>
Here is a list of each of the ingredients and which vaccines they are found in.<br>
If you click on the ingredient, it will tell you how it affects the human body.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have read that they now believe that there is no connection between the MMR vax and Autism, and even the publisher of the original study has recanted his findings, but it doesn't really do much to put my mind at ease.</div>
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This isn't true. There were several researchers involved in the study, which showed that autistic kids had measles virus in their guts, which must've come from their measles vaccine. They NEVER recanted that finding. What they said was that they didn't believe the measles virus in their guts caused the autism. All of them except one - Andrew Wakefield. He says he does believe the vaccine virus may have caused the autism.<br><br>
I'm sure it is safer to do them separately, but I still wouldn't do it. There's no guarantee that giving the measles portion by itself won't cause the same reaction in some children.
 

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I find this all so confusing! I've always believed in vaccinations and I think they're good things (I'm never sure why they're meant to be bad - could someone explain this to me?) I just don't know how I could live with myself if he caught something that I could have prevented (something major I mean) but at the same time the thought that he could develop autism......<br><br>
Argh!!!
 

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Learning_Mum-<br><br>
I have nothing useful to offer wrt your question, but I just wanted to say that I was *right* where you are just a couple of years ago. I assumed vaccines to be good/necessary, thought that "MMR and autism" was the only possible issue with vaccination (and that it had been disproven).<br><br>
My advice is to take your time researching this issue, read everything you can.<br>
The ladies here are wonderful at helping you find the CDC pages that you need to look at and medical studies, etc.<br><br>
It is really hard to challenge something so engrained in us, and it is a LOT of work. Take it one disease at a time, and don't give the vaccine until you are sure it is safe/effective. You cannot "ungive" a shot.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">There's no guarantee that giving the <b>measles portion</b> by itself won't cause the same reaction in some children.</div>
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