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Kieran is supposed to get the MMR in a month. We delayed all vaxes until he was 4 months old and then only did selective vaccines. I really wish I had the courage of conviction to just not vaccinate him at all, but I sit on the fence most of the time. Dh just says "You're the one who has the master's degree and you're the one who did the research so we'll just do what you think is best" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
Anyhow, I've put off the MMR until now and I'd like to put it off furthur until at least 18 months, but there have been a few outbreaks of mumps here lately and my GP is pressuring me.<br><br>
So, I'm waffling. Help?
 

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I understand. In spite of ds' reactions to the 4 month vax, dh is still pro-vax, and I waffle some. What has helped me is to look over the research from Japan that shows a decrease in reactions when they are delayed until after 2 years of age. So I tell myself that I will wait at least until then, and reassess our risks then. From what I have read, mumps isn't as contagious as measles.
 

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Mumps is very, very mild. Don't do it because of mumps. If you're wanting to do it before age 2, I'd wait until at least 15 months just because it works better when given a little older.
 

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From the CDC:<br><i><br>
Parotitis ["chipmunk cheeks"] occurs in <span style="text-decoration:underline;">only</span> 30%–40% of infected persons <b>AND</b> as many as 20% of mumps infections are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">asymptomatic</span> <b>AND</b> an additional 40%–50% may have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">only nonspecific or</span> primarily respiratory symptoms.</i>
 

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What she (my GP) is telling me is that mumps can affect a male's future fertility. Does anyone have any stats on this?
 

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here is a great movie about vaccination <a href="http://www.dark-truth.org/okt19-2006-2.html" target="_blank">http://www.dark-truth.org/okt19-2006-2.html</a><br>
and a very interesting article/study about aluminum used in vaccines.<br><br><a href="http://www.straight.com/article/vaccines-show-sinister-side" target="_blank">http://www.straight.com/article/vacc...-sinister-side</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What she (my GP) is telling me is that mumps can affect a male's future fertility. Does anyone have any stats on this?</div>
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Your GP is confused or something. Mumps can only affect fertility in males when you get it <i>after</i> puberty, and even then it's so rare that there are no actual stats on how often it happens.<br>
If you're wanting to do the MMR as one shot because of the "fewer needle sticks" factor, then that makes sense. But as far as vaxing for mumps goes, (on it's own) you're actually better off waiting till puberty. The vax is very ineffective nowadays (it looks like something has happened to the viral strain over the years). So unless they make a whole new mumps vaccine, it's now one of those things that boys are "safer" just catching in childhood, when the complication rate is very, very, very low (lower than chickenpox) instead of the teen or adult years, when the complication rate goes up.
 

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If you're an adult male, you may have heard that getting mumps may affect your fertility. The reason is viral orchitis, an inflammation of one or both testicles, most commonly associated with the virus that causes mumps. About one-third of males who contract mumps <span style="text-decoration:underline;">after puberty</span> develop orchitis.<br><br><b>Fortunately, infertility as a result of mumps-related orchitis is rare.</b></td>
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Personally, if there was an outbreak of mumps locally, I'd be making an effort to expose my kids to it, rather than get them vaccinated. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> It's a mild disease in most cases and if they have it, then there's absolutely no need to consider the vax and in most states you wouldn't have to submit an exemption, just a statement of having had the disease. But that's just me.
 

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Also, mumps might be the one and only VPD out there where a single exposure really does give life-long immunity. With most of the others, immunity (via vax or wild) fades when the disease is no longer circulating. But mumps immunity after natural infection really might actually last a lifetime.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What she (my GP) is telling me is that mumps can affect a male's future fertility. Does anyone have any stats on this?</div>
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But what I love is that your GP probably never mentions that some of the ingredients in some of these vaccines could affect fertility?! Not speaking specifically of the MMR but if this is the one vaccine you are on the fence about -- you should read lots about it. There is lots of good info on this board about that particular vaccine and/or those diseases.<br><br>
And, for those of us in favor of exposing our children...could you tell us your local so that we could expose our children??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">And, for those of us in favor of exposing our children...could you tell us your local so that we could expose our children??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I'm in Nova Scotia Canada. Road trip?!<br><br>
There was an outbreak at the university I worked at while I was pregnant and now there are scattered outbreaks over the province. I'm not sure what constitutes an 'outbreak' of mumps, but I'm sure it can't be solely among the unvaccinated. I bet they use this as furthur fodder to compell an MMR booster at 5 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">.<br><br>
It's definitely not the only vax I'm on the fence over, but it is one that just concerns me in general. I feel very damned if I do and damned if I don't here. I'm definitely going to put it off some more though.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Your GP is confused or something. Mumps can only affect fertility in males when you get it <i>after</i> puberty, and even then it's so rare that there are no actual stats on how often it happens.</div>
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This is worth repeating.<br><br>
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Now keep in mind that in order for a man to be sterile, the mumps-induced sterility would affect BOTH testicles. The odds of that happening are pretty slim . . . to none.<br><br>
Besides, there are other viruses which can cause sterility. In fact, there are plenty of habits, medications, viruses, etc. which can cause sterility. Actually, the MMR vaccine itself causes orchitis (swelling of the testicles), which can lead to sterility.
 

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I turned down the MMR & I'm in Ontario Canada, why, because mumps isn't that bad & the rate of infertility in men is LOW, I had the measles & it wasn't that bad at all & Rubella 1/2 the time goes unnoticed. The reason they vax against rubella is because it can affect an unborn fetus during the early stages of development so if you're not immune as a woman you risk that.<br><br>
In Canada you cannot split up the MMR. It's the 3 in one or nothing.<br><br>
If you're worried, just delay it.<br><br>
I have a hard time putting my son in an imaginary "needle" bubble.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I'm in Nova Scotia Canada. Road trip?!<br><br>
There was an outbreak at the university I worked at while I was pregnant and now there are scattered outbreaks over the province. I'm not sure what constitutes an 'outbreak' of mumps, but I'm sure it can't be solely among the unvaccinated. I bet they use this as furthur fodder to compell an MMR booster at 5 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">.<br><br>
It's definitely not the only vax I'm on the fence over, but it is one that just concerns me in general. I feel very damned if I do and damned if I don't here. I'm definitely going to put it off some more though.</div>
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Well, my personal belief is put it off until you feel comfortable one way or another. DO NOT get it if you are on the fence. You can always decide to get it later but you cannot always undo the damage a vaccine can cause.<br><br>
Admittedly there are days that I find myself on the fence...but then I remind myself that the diseases/illnesses are the 'known' -- we know the side-effects and we know the treatments. Vaccines are the 'unknown' and the treatments for the side-effects of vaccination reactions is for the most part unknown as well.<br><br>
Making the decision is by far a personal decision -- you have to do what you feel is best for your child. I have seen several mamas suggest pro/con lists with regard to each vaccine and take it by each one. When I did this...I came down to not vaxing my little guy any longer.<br><br>
Nova Scotia is a bit far from NC...but maybe those mumps will make it down my way.
 

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Well, I'm going to call and cancel his appointment today. I'm just not ready to make this descision yet. After ds1 had his reaction to the MMR, I swore I'd never vaccinate another child. Why am I waffeling now? I'm a bit irritated with myself.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, I'm going to call and cancel his appointment today. I'm just not ready to make this descision yet. After ds1 had his reaction to the MMR, I swore I'd never vaccinate another child. Why am I waffeling now? I'm a bit irritated with myself.</div>
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Your waffling because a doctor told you it was important and most of us were raised with the belief that doctors always know best! It is hard to stand in your convinctions about vaxes when a member of the medical community is standing before you telling you they would do it!<br><br>
Just read up and research...those convinctions will come back to you!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Now keep in mind that in order for a man to be sterile, the mumps-induced sterility would affect BOTH testicles. The odds of that happening are pretty slim . . . to none.<br><br>
Besides, there are other viruses which can cause sterility. In fact, there are plenty of habits, medications, viruses, etc. which can cause sterility. Actually, the MMR vaccine itself causes orchitis (swelling of the testicles), which can lead to sterility.</div>
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Long Island, could you please provide a reference for vaccine related orchitis? Thank-you.<br><br>
SM
 
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