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Holy, geez. I am a resident director of a college, just for background info. Some of the students and I were talking tonight and we somehow got on the subject of childbirth. One of the girls pipped up, "There is NO WAY I'm going to do that. Mrs W (adjunct prof of psych, currently a respitory nurse) says that childbirth is awful and that we should all just ask for c sections and as many drugs as we can get." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jaw2"> "WHAT!" I exclaim. "Yeah! Mrs. W says that if you don't you'll rip all over and that it is the worst pain ever and that everyone should just get a c-section." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
To which I calmly corrected them about natural birth, how hard c sections are, the risk of harm to baby and mother (including increased risk of death), the benefits of a doula, and the harm c-sections often do to bf due to all the medications and the trauma and how my c-section affected me (the medications, pain, delayed bonding, etc).<br><br>
This really pisses me off b/c I remember her doing this when I had the class and I have no idea why it is important to discuss birth options in developmental psych. And a professor should be an objective educator especially when it comes to something as personal as birth choice, not to mention that these are the messages that are shoved on people from the media all.the.time.<br><br>
So from a lactivist point of view would you say anything to the professor? Would you approach the department head? She isn't the hoity toity type, but I am horrified that she is teaching these things, things that could be so detrimental to early bf experiences and mother child attachement. And things that can be down right harmful.<br><br>
I should also add that this tends to be a tight knit community. And I'm not sure how to approach this tactfully. I really don't think its appropriate for me to go behind a profs back and correct their teaching to the students, since that undermines their authority in the classroom. I was shocked into speaking though.
 

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Maybe have a sit down with the offending prof and her dept head? I'd talk to the dept head first though and let him/her in on what your objections are first though. Yikes! I'd be having kittens in your shoes! I would get as many published studies and books from recognised authors on the subjects of childbirth, breastfeeding and psychology. One book that comes to mind is "Impact of Birthing Practices on Breastfeeding: Protecting the Mother and Baby Continuum" by Mary Kroeger. It's a very thoughtful well researched book that addresses what seems to be your main conserns.<br><br>
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You know, the more I think about it, the more angry I get. She is a freaking respitory nurse. She is in the operating room on sections. She MUST know that c sections increase the risk of breathing problems. Why the bleep would she say this is a good thing to encourage c sections?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You know, the more I think about it, the more angry I get. She is a freaking respitory nurse. She is in the operating room on sections. She MUST know that c sections increase the risk of breathing problems. Why the bleep would she say this is a good thing to encourage c sections?</div>
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Just because you're educated doesn't mean you can't be a total idiot. Take one of the doc's at the practice I take the kids to. I avoid him like the plague because if he's not going to take the time to get his facts straight before opening his mouth on something like breastfeeding, why should I trust him on anything else? And here I was thinking a DO would be more in tune with things than a MD? Just because she knows the hazards doesn't mean she understands all the implications.<br><br>
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I'd talk to her directly before talking to the head of the department.<br><br>
You could tell her you got the impression from some of her students that she was presenting factually inaccurate information regarding the risks associated with c-sections, and provide a summary and bibliography of some correct information.<br><br>
And if she says she was intending only to present her personal experience, not her professional experience, you could remind her that because of her position of authority as a professor and as a respiratory (sp?) nurse, her students may not be able to readily distinguish between her anecdotal information and birthing statistics that represent the population in general.
 

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What WNB said.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'd talk to her directly before talking to the head of the department.<br><br>
You could tell her you got the impression from some of her students that she was presenting factually inaccurate information regarding the risks associated with c-sections, and provide a summary and bibliography of some correct information.<br><br>
And if she says she was intending only to present her personal experience, not her professional experience, you could remind her that because of her position of authority as a professor and as a respiratory (sp?) nurse, her students may not be able to readily distinguish between her anecdotal information and birthing statistics that represent the population in general.</div>
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exactly
 

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You got this second hand from a student? Take it with a grain of salt. I am a college professor, and I know first hand that students embellish all the time. Unless you hear it from the professor herself, I would let it go.
 

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Yikes! Probably embellished, like PP said, but Yowza.<br><br>
DH had a counselor once who, in therapy of all things, told him that in the future all women would have and want sections because that was the modern, safe way of doing things. When he told me he wanted to stop therapy I didn't argue.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You got this second hand from a student? Take it with a grain of salt. I am a college professor, and I know first hand that students embellish all the time. Unless you hear it from the professor herself, I would let it go.</div>
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didn't she say that the same professor was HER instructor...and did the same when she was a student?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">didn't she say that the same professor was HER instructor...and did the same when she was a student?</div>
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It was the OP's opportunity to say something when the comment was said to her directly. This comment is second hand, and in no way should the OP say anything to anyone other than the professor in question.<br><br>
In addition, even if this scenaro <i>were</i> to be true, it's still the professor's <i>opinion</i>...one that is obviously different from the OP's. And since there are doctors who <i>do</i> perform elective c-sections and <i>do</i> give copious amounts of drugs, the professor, in giving her opinion, has really done nothing that would warrant a black mark in her personnel file.<br><br>
Talk to the professor, give an opinion, and leave it at that.
 

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I think something should be said. This professor of developmental psychology feels that it is necessary to teach this misinformation apparently every year. It was taught to the OP before and now to current students. The professor is teaching something that she has no medical knowledge about. While this maybe her opinion, she may not be expressing that it is her opinion but stating it as fact. And in her position as a TEACHER what she states often comes off as fact regardless.<br><br>
I think the main focus should be that the professor is discussing things in class that are not related to her topic and that she is giving misinformation.<br><br>
For goodness sakes she has scared her students. That in itself is enough to discuss.<br><br>
I would contact the head of the department and find out what the proper course of action on this is. Do not give the details (who what when where)to the head at this time. Just find out what the course of action is and then follow it.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">This really pisses me off <b>b/c I remember her doing this when I had the class</b> and I have no idea why it is important to discuss birth options in developmental psych.</td>
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The OP has this information both secondhand and firsthand. What she's got is comfirmation that this professor is continuing to be rather UNprofessional in passing off personal opinion as fact and with holding factual information.<br><br>
Don't know what you ought to do though. Maybe give her a chance to correct her nonsense by giving her a heads-up that "this is what the students are hearing, is this really what you're intending to say?" while handing her the professional journals or texts that give the facts. Then, if it continues, alert the level up that she is being so unprofessional and passing of opinion and falsehood as fact in the classroom.
 

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Don't know what you ought to do though. Maybe give her a chance to correct her nonsense by giving her a heads-up that "this is what the students are hearing, is this really what you're intending to say?" while handing her the professional journals or texts that give the facts. Then, if it continues, alert the level up that she is being so unprofessional and passing of opinion and falsehood as fact in the classroom.</div>
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That may be the only tactful approach. Regardless of what she thinks she's saying someone should make her aware of what the actual "Take Home" message is.<br>
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Misinformation in the eyes of the OP. I am sure this professor could find OBs who would agree with her.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I have never known a college professor <i>not</i> to do this. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Please. This happens all the time in nearly every college class. And it's misinformation in the eyes of the OP.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Well, Caden's Mom set her straight, so hopefully the student will spread the word. And if she had been really scared in the first place, I think she would.<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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As long as names and other identifying information were completely left out, I would be fine with this.
 

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Do we know for a fact that this was said in class and not outside of class?
 
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