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I will try to make this as short and straightforward as possible. We live in an apt complex with a number of buildings. Our building has 6 occupied apts, the demo apt, and the leasing office in it. A woman in our building works for the complex, mostly doing outside stuff, like mulching, planting flowers, filling potholes, and the like. Since we moved in almost 2 years ago, she has been feeding and taking care of stray cats on the property. At first, it was in a small wooded area on the other side of the parking lot. However, for at least 6 months, probably much longer, she has been leaving food and a box/boxes with blankets for the cats to sleep in/on on the shared porch, where no one is allowed to keep their own property. The cats often sit at the door to our building, and prowl around outside the building. We are on the ground floor (partially underground so our windows are at ground level) and the cats have woken me up in the middle of the night, and on weekend mornings, with their noises.<br><br>
The lease is fairly clear about pet rules - no dogs on the property period. No pets permitted besides cats. Max 2 cats per apt, extra deposit and monthly cat rent for each animal. I understand that stray cats are not exactly easy to control, but I do not see these animals as strays, seeing as she feeds, houses, names, and (rumor has it) provides vet care for them. I have complained to the office 4 times about this. Three times the box has disappeared just until the time that the apt manager had left the office that day, then the woman put it right back out there. Every time I see it, I complain, but this is fruitless. The main issue is that there are still cats outside of my windows waking me up. I still can't have people over with cat allergies/fears (yes, I know people who are afraid of cats). I am honestly at the end of my rope with this.<br><br>
So these are my options as I see it:
<ul><li>Continue to go through the "proper channels" and hope that the squeaky wheel gets greased.</li>
<li>Take matters into my own hands and throw the box out myself and risk retaliation from the woman who takes care of the cats.</li>
<li>Take matters further into my own hands and put out cat food/treats laced with rat poison.</li>
<li>Give up, live with little/no sleep, accept that rules are made to be broken and cats are way more important than my sanity.</li>
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I am sure there are other options, but I'm a little <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: and am having trouble thinking very rationally about this. Talking to the woman is not an option for me. She believes that she is the mother of these animals and that she should have special privileges that other residents don't have. I think she truly believes these animals wouldn't be able to survive without her.<br><br>
I know people will ask about animal control. Their stance is that it is up to me to trap the animals, and then call them to have them pick them up. I relayed this to the apt office and they said if I wanted to do that, it was up to me, but they would not provide any assistance at all (other local complexes trap the animals if/when they have a problem with strays).<br><br>
FWIW, we are moving in about 6-8 weeks due to the utter incompetence of this complex to enforce any of the rules stated in their lease. However, I honestly am not sure I can last that long, especially if I'm going to continue losing 2+ hours of sleep every night because the strays decide my bedroom window is the most romantic spot for GIO.<br><br>
I would really appreciate sincere help/advice/BTDT stories, as opposed to people telling me to suck it up. I have tried to suck it up and ignore it, but I am not at that point in my personal growth yet, and would like to find a solution to the problem that will work for me right now.
 

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Before I answer, I want to ask something:<br><br>
Are there any kittens, or are there only adult cats?
 

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At this point, only adults, and at least 3-4 of them.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">[*]Take matters further into my own hands and put out cat food/treats laced with rat poison.</div>
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I sure hope you are kidding about this. That is beyond cruel and a slow painful death to the animal. Since the cats are strays, why not just take them to a shelter?
 

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If you are going to move anyway, I would just live with it. And please, don't poison the cats - they are just trying to survive and don't know they are aggrating you!
 

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Have you addressed the woman directly about relocating her feeding/cat boxes? Maybe you could point out that the cats close to the building are keeping you awake and are a problem because of allergies. If she doesn't want to take the cats into her apt or relocate the feeding area then get some cat repellant to put around your window/porch or just trap the cats. <b>Do not put out poisoned food.</b><br><br><a href="http://www.cat-repellant.info/" target="_blank">http://www.cat-repellant.info/</a>
 

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Whatever you do PLEASE don't do this:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">[*]Take matters further into my own hands and put out cat food/treats laced with rat poison.</div>
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Feeding feral cats is foolish and creates a health hazard. Report the cats to animal control. You could also get a trap, trap them, and turn them over to animal control.
 

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I am literally nauseous over the suggestion that you might poison the cats. Growing up, we had a lot of cats. We would try to keep them inside, but inevidably they'd sneak out. That's when the neighbors would poison or shoot them. I was just a child at that time, and very attached to the cats, so it was devastating when my little furry friends all died.<br><br>
I have seen a large amount of cat bashing posts on MDC, and it upsets me immensely. I just don't understand it, and it's quite upsetting.
 

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First off, if I was serious about poisoning the cats, it would already be done and I wouldn't have asked for advice. If your only comment is "don't poison them," well, that's frankly not at all helpful. Alternatives, however, would be greatly appreciated.<br><br>
For those who advise trapping them, I have a very serious question: If you were 8 weeks pregnant, would you attempt to trap a stray cat? How about four of them?
 

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I have seen a large amount of cat bashing posts on MDC, and it upsets me immensely. I just don't understand it, and it's quite upsetting.</div>
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I'm not bashing cats <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"><br><br>
I think house cats kept as pets are fine. I think feral cats, running about, not being spayed, and creating a public health hazard and public nuisance, are NOT fine.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">For those who advise trapping them, I have a very serious question: If you were 8 weeks pregnant, would you attempt to trap a stray cat? How about four of them?</div>
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I honestly don't know too much about it. I take it you're worried about toxoplasmosis? I think as long as you don't directly handle the cats or their waste products, you'll be fine. If you call animal control, they should give you a cruelty-free trap. Once the cats are in it, you can take them to animal control. They'll likely be put down humanely.
 

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It wouldn't bother me, the only thing that I changed while PG was my diet.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">First off, if I was serious about poisoning the cats, it would already be done and I wouldn't have asked for advice. If your only comment is "don't poison them," well, that's frankly not at all helpful.</div>
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Maybe next time when you threaten animal cruelty you could put "just kidding" or something.
 

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Talk to your neighbor about moving the feeding area away from the building.<br>
Try cat repellant near your window/porch area.<br><br>
If I wanted to get rid of the cats I would trap them even if I was 8 weeks pregnant. I did a lot of things when I was 8 weeks pregnant. By trap I think most people mean putting out a cage trap so I don't see why it would involve you handling the cats if you are worried about touching them.<br><br><a href="http://www.petorphans.com/trap.html" target="_blank">http://www.petorphans.com/trap.html</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Feeding feral cats is foolish and creates a health hazard.</div>
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Actually, this is incorrect. If feral cats are being properly cared for (see <a href="http://www.alleycat.org" target="_blank">www.alleycat.org</a> for more information) and TNR (trap-neuter-return) is being practiced, this decreases disease transmission.<br><br>
The cats were there originally because there is a food source, usually dumpsters being left open, and/or food dropped in parking lots. Trapping them and carting them away has repeatedly proven to be ineffective - it creates a vacuum effect and other cats move in. The only truely effective (and humane) solution is to trap the cats, get them vet care, and release them back to the area they call home.<br><br>
If there are no kittens, it sounds like this person is at least doing that part right. Getting the cats all neutered is the biggest step. But she does need to move the feeding stations and shelters to a more private area, farther from humans.<br><br>
Make no mistake - if these cats are feral, taking them to the "shelter" is often an immediate death sentence. Many animal control offices put feral cats to death right away.<br><br>
I would ask her to do move her cat area farther from your apartment. Tell her that they wake you and that you have considered trapping them and taking them to animal control. She will most likely move the cats rather than risk them being killed, especially after the time and money it took to get them neutered.<br><br>
Also, cayenne pepper sprinkled on surfaces has been an effective deterrent to cats, for me.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Maybe next time when you threaten animal cruelty you could put "just kidding" or something.</div>
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The traps are pretty hands off. You set them with food, the cat is trapped, you take the cat to the shelter. You may want to throw a blanket over the trap and/or use gloves before you move it if you're scared the cat may scratch you.<br><br>
And.....FTR....I would rather trap cats at 8 weeks pg than go anywhere near rat poison.
 

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a_work_in_progress - I am sincerely sorry that your neighbors saw fit to do that to your pets without approaching your family or calling animal control first. If you can point out where I was bashing cats, I will edit it, but I am with Three Beans. Pet cats are well and fine with me, it's feral/strays that I'm having issues with.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I honestly don't know too much about it. I take it you're worried about toxoplasmosis? I think as long as you don't directly handle the cats or their waste products, you'll be fine. If you call animal control, they should give you a cruelty-free trap. Once the cats are in it, you can take them to animal control. They'll likely be put down humanely.</div>
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I have an extreme fear of toxoplasmosis and have been really upset that other people make light of it. When I called animal control, they never said anything about providing me with a trap. They also seemed very unsure of my rights at all since I do not own the property. They were pretty sure it's up to the landlord/mgmt but the mgr said that it's up to animal control. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Try cat repellant near your window/porch area.</div>
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The cat repellant link you posted seem to be useless unless you own/rent your own home and have some land that you can place things on. Tea bags/carpet remnants/electronic devices are not things I can place on common property. We do not have a deck/patio/patch of grass of our own and anything I put out would probably be removed.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I did a lot of things when I was 8 weeks pregnant.</div>
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What does this mean? I do a lot of things too. They do not include, however, exposing my unborn child to known risks, like alcohol, cigarette smoke, or cat feces.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It wouldn't bother me, the only thing that I changed while PG was my diet.</div>
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You didn't stop smoking or drinking? Because that's fine and your choice to make, but my choice has been to change my diet <i>and</i> certain parts of my lifestyle, too.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Also, cayenne pepper sprinkled on surfaces has been an effective deterrent to cats, for me.</div>
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Thank you, this has been the most helpful advice yet. Am I going to need to buy it in bulk and spread it all over the yard, or would putting it on/around the outside windowsills be sufficient?
 

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I remember hearing some plants cats don't like- citrus smells- lemon or orange maybe. Also I think marigolds are something they don't like.<br><br>
I found this <a href="http://www.critter-repellent.com/cat/cat-repellant.php" target="_blank">http://www.critter-repellent.com/cat/cat-repellant.php</a> and this <a href="http://www.liquidfence.com/cat-repellent.html" target="_blank">http://www.liquidfence.com/cat-repellent.html</a>
 

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I have an extreme fear of toxoplasmosis and have been really upset that other people make light of it.</div>
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I am not at all making light of it. AFAIK, if you don't handle the feces you should be fine. Maybe someone knows different? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 
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