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<p>Background:</p>
<p>progesterone related infertility, cannot stay pregnant w/out suppositories from ovulation until 10 weeks.</p>
<p>dd1 ctx started at 28 weeks, m/w put me on topical progesterone, eased a bit, born at home 38+6.</p>
<p>dd2, ctx at 26ish weeks, u/s showed no cervical shortening, but on terbutaline until 36 weeks, never went quite to PTL, born at home 40+6 (stinker)</p>
<p>dd3, ctx at 26 weeks, put on light duty per m/w...discovered a tumor on dh's spinal cord, we were building a house so I had to carry a little more burden (not too much though)  Didn't use anything, as we figured it was just an irritable uterus.  At 35+4, water broke she was born that day and was in the NICU for 2 weeks, almost died.  AWFUL!</p>
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<p>So here we are.  My goal is to see both my m/w AND my ob until full term, then I can birth at home, but ob will know WTH is going on if I go early again. OB agreed to it completely. I meet with my m/w tomorrow.</p>
<p>Ob also recommended 17p (progesterone) injections weekly starting at 16 weeks.  It's the only proven thing to help with preterm labor. They are made from the same stuff your body already makes.  I chatted w/ my m/w on the phone about it just now, and she recommended some tinctures (she's very natural and hands off, which I love, but I'm really nervous about another early baby this time!) These two tinctures by WishGarden:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.1cascade.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=3392" target="_blank"><span>http://www.1cascade.com/Pr</span><span>oductInfo.aspx?productid=3</span>392</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.1cascade.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=5688" target="_blank"><span>http://www.1cascade.com/Pr</span><span>oductInfo.aspx?productid=5</span>688</a></p>
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<p>I LOVE the idea of the tinctures, but I wondering if it would be naive of me to try the tinctures instead of something they know works?  The thing with the injections is that I have to start them early...the later you start them the less they work.  They are a preventative thing, something you can't take when contractions start later.</p>
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I'm so torn!  I know this is long, but I'd really appreciate some advice, thoughts, etc!</p>
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Thanks mamas!</p>
 

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I've taken progesterone only up until 16 weeks, so I don't know much about it after that point. That being said, after almost losing your dd3, the answer seems pretty clear. I always try the natural route first, but after having pre-e last time and using garlic and tinctures and everything else under the sun that was natural to try and lower my bp ( none of which worked and actually stressed me out more) I decided that I am in one of those situations where I am no longer low risk and where my outcome could be improved by western medicine. I wasn't aware of any longterm side-effects of progesterone during pregnancy other than cleft lip/palate ( and maybe that's only during the first tri? Like I said, I don't really know past 16 weeks)<br><br>
Given that this could prevent a nicu baby and all of those potential health risks, I'd go for the injections. I don't know, I felt like I gave the all natural stuff a good try with three of my pregnancies, but it simply doesn't work for the health issues I'm facing and I don't want to put my baby or myself at risk just for the sake of being natural birther extraordinaire. I trusted my midwives, but now that I'm on baby #5, I know my body best and trying things that may or may not work (and in my case usually didn't) my patience with alternative tinctures and such has run out and I just want something that'll work.<br><br>
Just my experience.
 

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<p>Thanks so much mama.  I think that is kind of what I'm wanting to hear.  I feel guilty not going natural again...but then again, I suppose a homebirth is better than a NICU!  I just wish my body would figure out this whole ttc/pg thing already.  lol, good thing this is our last!</p>
 

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<p>I second the PP, in this case you have a lot to risk and I would go with the sure-bet Western medicine approach.  I'm a firm believer in natural remedies, don't get me wrong, but I also feel there is a time and a place for each.  Good luck to you, wishing you a loooooooong and full term pregnancy!</p>
 

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Couldn't you try topical natural progesterone cream?<br>
If not, I'd go with the injections if it really is natural progesterone.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>LadyJennifer</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1292424/wwyd#post_16196591"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br>
Couldn't you try topical natural progesterone cream?<br>
If not, I'd go with the injections if it really is natural progesterone.</div>
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<br><br><p>I've tried it before.  And I'm on prometrium now.  But what if it doesn't work?  That's my fear...if i try natural things again, and realize they aren't working when I hit 26 weeks...it'll be too late to try the injections.  It's a now or never thing.</p>
 

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<p>I've never been in your shoes, so I can't obviously tell you what you should do, but if it were me I would do the injections.  I too feel there is a time and place for natural remedies and "crapshooting" so to speak (no offense to anyone who uses natural remedies).</p>
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<p>No where NEAR the same level of seriousness, but I had serious thrush after DD was born.  It was bad.  I tried GV, GSE, hot water washes, everything they say for 2 weeks.  It was 2 weeks of HELL.  Everything was awful.  I hated life.  I finally just said, "This is stupid." and got a script for diflucan.  The yeast was so bad it took 4 weeks of diflucan to clear it up - I was MISERABLE.  It's one of those things I will never fool around with again!  I think we learn from the past, and with your history I just wouldn't take chances. </p>
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<p>That's my 2 cents.  You of course need to do what you feel is right and what you're comfortable with.  {{hugs}}</p>
 

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<p>I think natural remedies are great and I do use them, but in your case, I would go with the injections. I would go with what I *know* to work and wouldn't gamble with my baby. <img alt="hug2.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/hug2.gif"></p>
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<p><strong>pjs</strong>, it's interesting to see you write that low levels of progesterone can cause cleft lip/palate. My DS was born with a cleft lip and now I wonder what my progesterone levels were.</p>
 

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Poetry- I think I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my pp. When I was on prometrium in the first trimester for my past two pregnancies, the printout that the pharmacy gave me with my prescription said cleft lip/palate was a possible side effect of taking the progesterone during pregnancy- perhaps you have really high progesterone? I remember discussing it with my ob at the time who sort of dismissed any side effects of it ( other than making m/s and exhaustion worse). I think the last time I consulted dr. Google about it was during my pregnancy with my dd back in 2006.
 

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<p>Thanks for clarifying. :) I don't remember hearing what my progesterone levels were last pregnancy, but it's definitely something I'm going to pay attention to this time.</p>
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Poetry- I think I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my pp. When I was on prometrium in the first trimester for my past two pregnancies, the printout that the pharmacy gave me with my prescription said cleft lip/palate was a possible side effect of taking the progesterone during pregnancy- perhaps you have really high progesterone? I remember discussing it with my ob at the time who sort of dismissed any side effects of it ( other than making m/s and exhaustion worse). I think the last time I consulted dr. Google about it was during my pregnancy with my dd back in 2006.</div>
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<p>I would do the progesterone shots.  It is the same hormone that your body is producing, so it's just as natural as tinctures and herbs (and perhaps more, since those aren't the same as things your body can produce, and have different effects for different people, etc).  It's just an unatural delivery system (a syringe instead of the placenta). </p>
 

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<p>thanks everyone. :)  I talked with my m/w today and she said she is behind me on this.  She trusts that I know my body, and really trusts that I know my instincts.  She has been at the birth of my last two babies and knows that I know my body well.  So it looks like I'll be doing the progesterone injections.  Now to hope they work!</p>
 
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