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I am so over the hustle and bustle of my life. I am over $320 power bills, I am over $2000 a year in taxes and close to that in insurance because we happen to live in a area hit back to back with several hurricanes. I am sick of rising gas costs and commutes because its the only way to make money around here. I am tired of it all. I want to sell everything we own in this highly inflated cost of living area without much pay. I am tired of hearing my husband complain about having to work construction in FL just to make a living and hating it because everyday he comes home with sweat stained shirts. I am tired of it all. I want to sell this house, this property, the inlaws (because dh wont leave his family) and just up and move. Live off the grid, grow our own gardens, raise our own food for consumption, have a solar ran house and build a smalll inlaway type home on the furthest edge of the property for the inlaws (hehe).... You all get the picture. My children are missing out because of all the hustle and bustle we have here ... I want to do this before my children get to old and we cant do it without them "suffering" kwim? They are 3 and 5 now. When they are 7 and 9 or so ... it will be a HUGE fiasco to do ... My husband is so afraid of change and chances. He has worked hard to have what we have 3 bedroom 2 bath, pool, almost 3 acres, and is so afraid to commit. Where we both want to live i dont know if there is much in lines for employment. I mean you have to make something ... We could sell and buy and probably pay just about everything off ... Anyway has anyone went from living the hustle and bustle to a more simple life? It isnt possible to make the changes here without it costing us more than it would to move kwim? our home that we bought 8 years ago has 4x increased in value. We could sell and walk away with at least $200,000 in profit from this home if not more. Anyone have a plan and follow thru or can someone at least sit here and join my dream for awhile ????
 

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Take me with you!!!


I dream like that too. Although we did make the move from city to country and we have a garden now!

Would love to get more off grid and have to rely less on other people. (Solar doesnt appear to be a good fit for where we are and what we need)

I am dreading this winter with oil prices the way they are. We were only in our new house for 3 months in the winter and oil was over $1000.00!!!!

I totally know how you feel though, I tell dh I would love to get some animals, cows, pigs, chickens, etc. and homestead, he thinks Im nuts!
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Maybe after we pay off our mortgage?
 

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I'm investigating your dream right now for myself, mama.
Philaburbia > Dela"where". I'm over this, this busy overpopulated frenetically paced way. I miss my country life of years ago. Ever hear the song, My Old Home Place? There's a main refrain: What have they done to the old, homeplace, and why did they tear it down? And why did I leave my plow in the field, and look for a job in the town?!! apropos for me.


Oh, and I have batted this idea around for years, and tried to make financial sense of it. I used to really love it here. Now, not so much. I'm ready for change.
 

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Your dream is my dream, mama - minus the in-laws accompanying us.
I have a fantasy of doing this in a Spanish-speaking country so there would be that extra intellectual stimulation of becoming fluent in another language, and making sure our child(ren) learned that skill as well.

DH will not get on board with it, however. He engages in the dream with me sometimes, but when I try to get down to it and really move past talk, he says thing like, maybe later, or, imagine how bored we'd get.

So, may I follow you around and pant over your shoulder as you prepare to move your dream forward?
 

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I may have an overly simplistic view of life, but here is my 2 cents.

STOP DREAMING & MAKE IT REALITY!

Those desires, hopes, and dreams are there for a reason...just do it, and do it without regret. If you are feeling this way now, just imagine how regretful you will feel in 10 years knowing you could have gotten out of the rat race and you didn't.

We are working towards the very things you speak of...selling the house, getting out of the corporate world, paying off all debts, living more simply. It's coming together with every baby step.

I would recommend writing it all out. Set little goals for yourself (i.e. We want to sell the house: call a realtor by such and such a date, etc.). Just take it one step at a time.

There IS hope...you just have to take charge of your life and do it!
 

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You could always start with a game with your dh--the "what if" game: IF we ever were to move to an acreage off-the-grid, where would it be? what's the cost of land and of taxes? What livestock, if any would we raise? How would we get by?

And then maybe find some of the old Foxfire books, and other resources, and figure it out. I think that at some point the plan would either take on a life of its own--a momentum of its own--and happen, or not.

My parents did this, many years ago--moved onto thirty acres with a well and septic; rural water and electric (so not OFF the grid). We kids were 6-1/2, 3-1/2 and 6 months. They tried a bit of everything--sheep, cattle, goats, etc. Mom was telling me recently that they used to read the sheep rearing book at night and get up the next morning to put what they learned into practice. There were some rough years, in terms of cash flow, but we never went hungry and always had clothes on our backs.

You can make money raising and selling livestock. That's one thing to keep in mind. It's market driven--the prices fluctuate--but it's doable.

In the meantime--wow! you've got three acres!
Without going completely off the grid with solar, etc., what can you do now with what you have?
 

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I may have an overly simplistic view of life, but here is my 2 cents.

STOP DREAMING & MAKE IT REALITY!

Those desires, hopes, and dreams are there for a reason...just do it, and do it without regret.
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Two years ago we lived very close to both sides of the family, which was nice but sometimes not so nice. My husband was at a job he hated. We just felt there was a better place for us. We move three hours away to a very unpopulated area. We had no idea what we were going to do at the time financially. We were renting where we were living and found a great little house on a dead end road for rent with no neighbors in sight. It was very hard the first six months, not having the family right down the road and not knowing where our next paycheck was coming from (we sold a lot of stuff to make it at first). My husband is now settled in a job he loves, we have chickens and turkeys for meat and goats for a family milk supply. We grew a pretty big garden this year and it's my first year of preserving everything I possibly can. We aren't off grid and we still make trips to the grocery store (hopefully every year we will have to buy less due to learning how to be more self sufficiant) but we live a much happier, simple lifestyle now than what we used to.
Good Luck on your way to the simple life!!
 

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I hear you and finally....dh hears me. This is something I have wanted for a long time too and he finally gets that I am serious about it. Keep talking to your dh. Get your finances in order. Make it clear that you are serious. Dh never knew how serious I was about it, until I started cutting out all non-essential spending. I told him buying land was more important to me than nice haircuts, dinners out, vacations, nice clothes. He was floored. He knew it was something I thought about, but had no idea I really wanted this to happen

If this really is your dream, make it happen. For me, I know that this will be my one big regret if I don't follow through.
 

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I agree that you have to just do it if it's what you really want. DH and I are in the process of selling our home and looking to buy some land and build a house, grow a garden, raise some animals, etc. I'll admit that there are times when I'm terrified and want to stay with what I know even though I don't really like it. However, I believe we can make it and I believe it will be best for our family. Good luck with your decision!
 

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We did it and you can too.

Honest.

It takes guts, and stupidity. Not really courage.


First things first. You can't do ALL of it. At least not right away. But you can start right now, today.

My dh is a roofer. If we want to pay the bills, he has to work. At his 'old (before the move) job, in the city. Up to a 200 mile commute each day. Sometimes he goes 'out of town' and has to get a room. THis IS stressful. However, roofing jobs out here are hard to find and pay 1/2 of what they pay in the city.

So, first question....what can you do to raise money?

Unless you have extensive farming experience, you aren't going to grow all your OWN veggies for many years, never mind make a living selling them. Life in the country is hard and poor. You have to really plan.

I have 2 1/2 cords of firewood in my yard, that equals weeks and weeks of work. 4 cord will get us through the winter. OUr house is 1000 sq ft (7 of us lived here, 1 bathroom), every 4 hours, day and NIGHT, someone has to go feed the wood stove. No gas or oil bill, but you do get tired.


We also sell wood. SInce we don't have a truck, people come and pick it up. We get less, but it costs us less. DH works like a dog, has shirts as sweaty as doing that construction, and sells about 8 cord. (about $1000) You need a chainsaw, a woodsplitter or a strong back and an axe.

Our eggs come from our chickens. SInce coyotes and neighbors dogs wiped out most of our flock, I now get 2 eggs a day.
: I still have to feed all those pullets though, for 5 months, then they'll lay too. Meanwhile, the grain still costs $17.00 (organic) a month.

We raise pigs. It's a ton of lugging and they smell. I can't even begin to describe the smell. Think the worst diaper you can imagine, times 100 and then imagine smelling it in your house on a hot day. BLECH! HOwever, we sell 2 1/2 pigs and eat 1/2 Vegetarian pork sells for $5 a pound, easy. We'll have about 600 pounds of pork to sell. They'll eat ...about $600-$650 worth of grain this year...wait that includes the cost of the piggies. Don't forget pig proof fencing, that' ll cost another $50 and hours of work. ANd if you don't move tehm to greener ground, they'll stink worse and cost you more in food.

Still interested? Want to start NOW?

Ok, simple can be anywhere. Grow tomatoes in a container. Check your local codes...many cities will allow you 3 hens, NO ROOSTERS! Stop driving to the store, playground etc, every day. Plan trips, imagine it takes you 30 minutes to get to the nearest store, 45 minutes to one you like. But lots of produce on sale, get yourself some canning jars and start canning. It's an invaluable skill once you get to the country and your own garden.

Make believe the grocery store is your garden. What's on sale? Buy a bunch, of say tomatoes and green beans. How many ways can you eat tomatoes? (dry thtem for tomato pesto, fresh with mozzarella, can some for salsa and make a batch of tomato sauce) Green beans go great in a three bean salad, steamed, stirfry with other veggies, etc. What ever you make to put up, you eat that night, too.

Now take the money you saved on gas from running to the store every day and eating out or cooking meals with more expensive ingredients and put it in the bank. Take a long ride to the country and search online for cheap land wayyy out. (Get a south facing piece if you plan to garden....NO wait, read 5 acres to independence, and every other homesteading book. Ask at the library for the Foxfire series, lots of ideas there. THe library can also get you booiks on chickens, goats, etc.)

Unplug your clothes dryer and start hanging the clothes out.

When you see a piece of land that interestes you, ASK! Don't be afraid that you don't have enough of a deposit. Don't be afraid that the land isn't cleared......you'll get used to hauling trees your dh has cut down and lugging firewood.

Hmm, just noticed the three acres! 3 acres!!! Three henswould give you 3 eggs a day, about. That's 21 a week, enough to seel some and get some experience. And you could have a heck of a garden! Start composting, join homesteading groups.

Oh, uh, we pay $2400 a year for property tax. Thats for 17 acres with a tiny house.

Oh and forget your pride. Homesteading means collecting bottles and cans for the $.05, picking up pieces of firewood that fell off a truck, getting the waste produce from therocery store to feed to the pigs.....and then going through it to get the good veggies and cooking them. (yeah, go ahead and cringe. Organic beets and carrots, right off the shelf, that I was just about to buy, for free. So I dig through some funky lettuce to get them.
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Be prepared to shop at Goodwill, to get dirty and to stay home alot.

And I wouldn't trade it for the world. But I would have liked to have some idea of how much work was involved beforehand. Also, I live in new england. Does your dh know that construction workers here collect unemployment all winter? Pretty much all of them. That';s wehn they find the trees they'll cut come spring, worko on wood projects and spend time with their kids to make up for the summers.

Sheesh, THAT was longwinded.
 

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I may have an overly simplistic view of life, but here is my 2 cents.

STOP DREAMING & MAKE IT REALITY!

Those desires, hopes, and dreams are there for a reason...just do it, and do it without regret. If you are feeling this way now, just imagine how regretful you will feel in 10 years knowing you could have gotten out of the rat race and you didn't.
 

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I am here to encourage you in your dream. Dh and I wanted to raise our kids in the country but the places we liked were $$$. So I started on an expedidtion about 6 months ago using the internet and my car. I found a 2 bedroom home on 5 acres, in the forest, on a dirt road about 25 minutes from where we used to live. Dh was not into moving at the moment, but once he saw the land he knew we had to move. The price was the same as our home on 1/10 acre closer to the city. The location is inconvient (which is why we saved $$), but since dh is self-employed he can try and get work closer to home. The store I like is about 30 minutes away so I am excited to get food producing around here (chickens, dairy goats, fruit trees, ect)

We have lived here 2 months now. We love all the peacefulness, fresh air, and possibilities. Dh is busy with his paying job right now (self-employed electrical contractor) but we are going to be fencing and building a goat barn this fall. We really want to keep our life simple and pay off this home as fast as we can.

I cannot beleive how happy we are about working our butts off!! Sometimes I feel overwhelmed about all the skills I have yet to learn but I am tryng to take them one at a time. I have been reading and learning as much as I can.

Also, if we were not so close with our families, we would leave CA and cash out in Montana or somewhere...I would suggest moving somewhere cheaper if that would work for your life....

Happy dreaming,
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Hey ladies ... thanks for all the responses ... I do want to tell you though ... we have 3 acres here now. I have my chickens (about 15-20 at all times) they are not all laying right now ... We are getting 2-3 eggs a day .. Now mind you ... I have property but my property buts up to the city which has a population of hell at least 100,000 i think ... thank god we have our little bit of green. I am in FL and it is hard to grow anything here (we have tried) ... the heat just kills it by May we are in the 90's and you cant start earlier planting because the cold in the winter wont allow (yes it gets cold in FL) ... We are going to try to do a fall garden this year. I will be planting stuff after Labor Day ...

I am in the process of learning more about raising a steer for meat. I do want to do that but need to learn more about it ...

I am a piece of work .. lol ... trying to evolve into something. BUt i still live the rats race life and alot of it has to do with my employment. I am a self employed Loan Closer (mobile notary) so i am rushing around at peoples demands all the time. While the pay is GREAT it sucks to be at everyones beck and call but my own.

Both my DH and i hate FL and i think that is where the problem is ... Its so crowded here (although we have our property and all) ... its just growing growing growing ... the property next to us (40 acres) that once was the home of many cattle is now being developed into 2 acre "estate homes" ... see what i mean ... its grwoing growing growing ... its obviously not going to stop so we just want space ...
 

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Wow, this thread is such an inspiration!!

I am really wanting to move out to the country right now, I am ready to throw it all away and move to a quieter more simple life.

Red, reading what you do and how you have made it work is amazing to me.

I'm gonna keep up my research and figuring this all out!
 

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ITA with the pp's - take the time that you are spending dreaming about doing this, and DO IT instead!

We immigrated from the UK 11 years ago, from a tiny (400sq ft house) in an industrial town, first to a Canadian city, and then after 4 years of feeling so choked and suffocated we threw everything in and bought our place out here in the country. Despite the challenges - and there are many many MANY! - you couldn't pay us to move back...

I think Red as usual makes some critical points: when you commit to doing this you often have to make a huge shift in your thinking too; I realised that in a day I probably do at least 3 or 4 things that I would never have seen myself doing. It is hard work. It is tiring. There are times, especially during the winter, when I'm dragging in baskets and baskets of wood thru snow so thick I can't see that I curse and chafe at the life I've shosen. But above all, it is immensely rewarding. There is so much joy in this life - in raising a family where we can see the stars, hear the animals, breathe the air, drink the water from our well...We're not in a position at this point to be self-sustaining, so Dh is still commuting to work, and we have changed our life priorities in order to accomodate the drop in income from me staying at home pretty much full time.

All this to say - go for it!
 

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that was beautiful!! thanks for sharing!!!


For us we don't have a home or equity or credit much of an income so it's taking us a lot longer but we're going to get where we want someday. somehow. But I'm not goign to give up. we live simply now and i find it's hard to start out simply! to live green it's like you have to have money saved from when you used to live un-green!! LOL not an option for us as we've always been poor and never owned a home... nothing more than the car we use really.

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We did it and you can too.

Honest.

It takes guts, and stupidity. Not really courage.


First things first. You can't do ALL of it. At least not right away. But you can start right now, today.

My dh is a roofer. If we want to pay the bills, he has to work. At his 'old (before the move) job, in the city. Up to a 200 mile commute each day. Sometimes he goes 'out of town' and has to get a room. THis IS stressful. However, roofing jobs out here are hard to find and pay 1/2 of what they pay in the city.

So, first question....what can you do to raise money?

Unless you have extensive farming experience, you aren't going to grow all your OWN veggies for many years, never mind make a living selling them. Life in the country is hard and poor. You have to really plan.

I have 2 1/2 cords of firewood in my yard, that equals weeks and weeks of work. 4 cord will get us through the winter. OUr house is 1000 sq ft (7 of us lived here, 1 bathroom), every 4 hours, day and NIGHT, someone has to go feed the wood stove. No gas or oil bill, but you do get tired.


We also sell wood. SInce we don't have a truck, people come and pick it up. We get less, but it costs us less. DH works like a dog, has shirts as sweaty as doing that construction, and sells about 8 cord. (about $1000) You need a chainsaw, a woodsplitter or a strong back and an axe.

Our eggs come from our chickens. SInce coyotes and neighbors dogs wiped out most of our flock, I now get 2 eggs a day.
: I still have to feed all those pullets though, for 5 months, then they'll lay too. Meanwhile, the grain still costs $17.00 (organic) a month.

We raise pigs. It's a ton of lugging and they smell. I can't even begin to describe the smell. Think the worst diaper you can imagine, times 100 and then imagine smelling it in your house on a hot day. BLECH! HOwever, we sell 2 1/2 pigs and eat 1/2 Vegetarian pork sells for $5 a pound, easy. We'll have about 600 pounds of pork to sell. They'll eat ...about $600-$650 worth of grain this year...wait that includes the cost of the piggies. Don't forget pig proof fencing, that' ll cost another $50 and hours of work. ANd if you don't move tehm to greener ground, they'll stink worse and cost you more in food.

Still interested? Want to start NOW?

Ok, simple can be anywhere. Grow tomatoes in a container. Check your local codes...many cities will allow you 3 hens, NO ROOSTERS! Stop driving to the store, playground etc, every day. Plan trips, imagine it takes you 30 minutes to get to the nearest store, 45 minutes to one you like. But lots of produce on sale, get yourself some canning jars and start canning. It's an invaluable skill once you get to the country and your own garden.

Make believe the grocery store is your garden. What's on sale? Buy a bunch, of say tomatoes and green beans. How many ways can you eat tomatoes? (dry thtem for tomato pesto, fresh with mozzarella, can some for salsa and make a batch of tomato sauce) Green beans go great in a three bean salad, steamed, stirfry with other veggies, etc. What ever you make to put up, you eat that night, too.

Now take the money you saved on gas from running to the store every day and eating out or cooking meals with more expensive ingredients and put it in the bank. Take a long ride to the country and search online for cheap land wayyy out. (Get a south facing piece if you plan to garden....NO wait, read 5 acres to independence, and every other homesteading book. Ask at the library for the Foxfire series, lots of ideas there. THe library can also get you booiks on chickens, goats, etc.)

Unplug your clothes dryer and start hanging the clothes out.

When you see a piece of land that interestes you, ASK! Don't be afraid that you don't have enough of a deposit. Don't be afraid that the land isn't cleared......you'll get used to hauling trees your dh has cut down and lugging firewood.

Hmm, just noticed the three acres! 3 acres!!! Three henswould give you 3 eggs a day, about. That's 21 a week, enough to seel some and get some experience. And you could have a heck of a garden! Start composting, join homesteading groups.

Oh, uh, we pay $2400 a year for property tax. Thats for 17 acres with a tiny house.

Oh and forget your pride. Homesteading means collecting bottles and cans for the $.05, picking up pieces of firewood that fell off a truck, getting the waste produce from therocery store to feed to the pigs.....and then going through it to get the good veggies and cooking them. (yeah, go ahead and cringe. Organic beets and carrots, right off the shelf, that I was just about to buy, for free. So I dig through some funky lettuce to get them.
)

Be prepared to shop at Goodwill, to get dirty and to stay home alot.

And I wouldn't trade it for the world. But I would have liked to have some idea of how much work was involved beforehand. Also, I live in new england. Does your dh know that construction workers here collect unemployment all winter? Pretty much all of them. That';s wehn they find the trees they'll cut come spring, worko on wood projects and spend time with their kids to make up for the summers.

Sheesh, THAT was longwinded.
 

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A simple life doesn't have to be on a farm. We do it on a boat. We were off the grid on our old boat and are in the process of re-wiring this one to do the same. Once DS is 5 years old and the dog dies (sorry, sad but true. He's too old for adventuring) we plan to head out to sea and travel as a family.

Some tips?

Even if you are a 2 income family, live on just one. Put away every penny of the other.

Cancel your cable, your magazine subscriptions, your land line phone. You will save a ton!

Don't carry your credit cards in your wallet. Put them away in a safe place. Then if you see something you want, you have to REALLY want it to make the effort to go back and get your credit card to go buy it.

And like others have said, it doesn't take money or guts. Just optimism and dedication. Go for it!
 

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We live a country life...lots of land between me and my neighbors, most all my neighbors are relatives in one form of another too, lol. We'd still like to get away to somewhere surrounded by trees, like a sanctuary type place. Where we're at now, there's no tree seclusion. We'd like to find it in Texas.

Thanks to all the ones already living this way and the pointers, etc. I don't see us living completely off the grid like that cause I want it easy, lol. I do want quiet though....

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A simple life doesn't have to be on a farm.

That's so true. You can do it, or not, anywhere. Lots of our neighbors -both adults work, the kids are in day care, etc. And I live in a super crunchy town. It's mostly in your head. If you HAVE to have TV, or lights (Oh, that's me!) or two cars (Yep we have two. No judgements from me!) and lots of nice clothes or just stuff, it's going to be a lot harder to do.

If you can live with oil lamps, a few big old batteries for your fridge.,....and some way to recharge them, great. (solar can be pricey, whihc is why more people don't have it.)

I'd start with the things I'd most like to do. (I lvoe having chickens, they're easy and fun and give you free food that they don't want, anyway!

But you can do it in an apartment in the middle of the city...or start anyway.

Have fun everyone!
 
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