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Janet, I would start at a good chiro - it'll be far cheaper than the dentist & less invasive/more holistic. It could just be a pinched nerve & if blood isn't getting to where it needs to go, you'll have numbness & pain. My chiro does work inside of my mouth. Also, laying face down, the back of the neck is adjusted for TMJ pain.
and my health insurance covers chiropractors
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I have honestly never been to one. Do they typically have special tables for those who cannot lay face down normally? I have an illeostomy (I had my colon removed) and I can't lay on it at all. Maybe they have a special table with a hole in it that they use for pregnant women or something??

I guess I'll call around and find out.
Thanks for the suggestion
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my ears are crackly...does that make any sense? If swallow or make certain other movements I get this crackling noise in my ears. It has been there as long as I can remember, and my dh can hear it if he puts his ear up to mine.

I saw an ENT about it back in 7th grade and he just said it was my sinuses and that was it. (but he was older than rocks, and could hardly move...so he didn't really put much effort into finding out the real source)
 
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What do you do for the yeast? Diflucan or a natural treatment?
The ear thing is enough to drive me over the edge, as if the popping/stiff jaw wasn't enough.
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Talk to me about it! All my yeast symptoms are in my head - literally; ears, throat, eyelid rash, and then the jaw thing, which Im not sure what it is (the beginning of tmj maybe, b/c Im sooo stressed about the yeast - ugh). So far Ive been on the strict no carb diet for 2 mos and natural antifungals. No change, and new symptoms !! I may try the prescriptions, but havent heard much success there either so .... onward ....
 
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and my health insurance covers chiropractors
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I have honestly never been to one. Do they typically have special tables for those who cannot lay face down normally? I have an illeostomy (I had my colon removed) and I can't lay on it at all. Maybe they have a special table with a hole in it that they use for pregnant women or something??

I guess I'll call around and find out.
Thanks for the suggestion
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Yep, they should have a belly table, call a few chiros, not all are created equal, go to i.c.p.a. & find one near you.
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I saw an ENT about it back in 7th grade and he just said it was my sinuses and that was it. (but he was older than rocks, and could hardly move...so he didn't really put much effort into finding out the real source)
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Me too & he was older than dust! He told me to get a nightguard, rollseyes.
 
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Just wanted to update that I am on day 12 of my jaw being locked!
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It is started really hurting and I've been getting ear aches and sinus pressure and I can feel all the muscles in my neck and jaw really clenching. The doc gave me a muscle relaxer - didn't work and valium - didn't work.

I have to say it is starting to take an emotional toll on me. It started out kinda of funny and now I'm beginning to realize this could stay like this for a while.And watching me try to eat is not a sight anyone wants to see...

The acupuncturist can't see me until the 18th!!! I may call a chiro although I have mixed feelings about that right now...
the dentist says as soon as my mouth opens they'll fit me for a mouth guard - don't really want that and can't afford it.

I'm thinking of doing a week long cleanse, seeing as how I can't eat that well anyway. The previous posts on yeast got me thinking about it...

UGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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Hugs, mama!

I was diagnosed with TMJ when I was about 12 years old. My mother sent me to doctors, dentists, and orthodontists.

I had two splints that did absolutely nothing to help and really impacted my sleep negatively. (And I still have nightmares sometimes where I think I'm wearing it!!) One was (I think) intended to keep me from clenching, and the other was intended to modify my bite. Ugh on both counts.

Then one day in college I picked up a book and read that TMJ was sometimes stress induced!! That information made a huge impact on me, as I was then able to manage my stress and improve my pain.

I tried a few other things in the years following, including exercises and drugs. Eventually I ended up seeing an osteopath and that totally changed things for me. After four appointments, my headaches were all but gone. It felt like a miracle to me at the time!

I still have the occassional issue, but now that the chronic stuff is over I can cope a little better. (I find acupuncture great for pain management.)

Good luck! I hope your jaw relaxes soon.
 
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Just wanted to update that I am on day 12 of my jaw being locked!
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awww! I so feel for you! I had my first "bout" with this about 15 years ago. My jaw just locked and I was in incredible pain. I couldn't chew, I had a blinding headache. I finally went to a dentist after several days and he gave me prescription anaprox. I took it for a week and, thank goodness, the pain went away and my jaw relaxed.

Since then, I have several things I can't eat: gum, popcorn, etc. Anything that makes me chew a lot. I have aleve on hand. If I give in to eating stuff I shouldn't (so many things), I most certainly pay for it with my stupid jaw swelling and so SO MUCH PAIN. I also have to eat more slowly and avoid tough foods like steaks or even salads, too much hard, repetitive chewing! It's really a PITA.

I recently talked to my chiro about it and she made me realize how much this is affecting how/what I eat and has convinced me to let her work on me. So we had a few sessions while I was PG, and it freakin' hurt. I didn't notice a difference, and since the baby I just haven't approached it again. I only go in there for her to help my neck now.

Based on another post, I might see how much magnesium I get in my body, thanks pp!

But, I really hope it gets better you, I understand the pain and the frustration. It is icky.
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i was diagnosed as a teenager. at the time, my unhelpful dr suggested that i just bite down on some gauze. (i don't know what that was supposed to do.) i never went to the dentist about it, because i knew that i could not afford the mouthguard anyway. it's come and gone over the years. the last six months or so have been the worst ever. the right side of my face and my right ear are killing me. it hurts to eat, talk, or kiss. my mouth opens enough to eat, but just barely.

our insurance doesn't cover mouthguards or chiro visits.
 
My TMJ is/was not quite as bad as yours is right now, but I have had quite a journey with it. So I am sharing some of my experiences in hopes that something might be of help.

I visited a Physical Therapist who specialized in TMJ and it was a life-changing experience. She worked on many levels, physical & emotional, hands-on and talking/teaching. She would work directly in my mouth, which was mind-blowing - i had never had anything like that done before. And she would work on the associated muscles in my head, neck and back. She taught me some techniques for dealing with the extremely tight muscles myself - i.e. how to specifically massage specific muscles in my jaw area (tiny little tight individual muscle).

My dentist referred me to an Oral Surgeon, who referred me to the PT after I told him I didn't want surgery or drugs of any sort. I probably saw her for about five months. The problem did not completely go away, but it did get better and I gained an incredible sense of mastery of hte problem - that I could actually do something to improve it.

Then, on her advice, I started doing more swimming, which relaxes the neck and back area. Also yoga. These are both stress-relievers and also stretch out the various muscles that contribute to TMJ.

However, my problem never completely went away. About seven month ago I started seeing a traditional chinese medical dr. She did acupuncture that specifically addressed TMJ, and also did Gua Sha, which is a traditional home therapy for ridding your body of toxins. This also helped, but did not completely rid me of the problem.

Over the past 2 months, I think I have found a major part of my solution. I had all of my silver mercury amalgam dental fillings removed, in four separate visits (because there were such fillings on all four "corners" of my mouth). With each visit, my TMJ actually got a little bit better. After this last visit 3 weeks ago, my TMJ is almost completely gone. I am amazed.

I have two theories about why removing my amalgam fillings has helped my TMJ. First, I think that the mercury in the fillings has been an irritant - and that perhaps my clenching/grinding was a subconscious attempt to "bite it out" of my system?

Second, now that I have the white, harder fillings, and have gone through a few sessions of "bite adjustment" - during which I talked to my dentist about what an ideal bite (tooth placement/touching) should be...I suspect that my old fillings were too large, causing my molars to touch inappropriately. My theory is that because my back teeth were in effect "too large" that I again was trying to "grind them away". But of course, because there were fillings there, that was impossible.

Also, grinding of the amalgam fillings releases a stream of mercury gas, which is toxic....there are sites on the internet that discuss this (sorry don't have the links handy right now).

After my fillings were removed, I had a sinus reaction which I learned corresponds with mercury toxicity, so I suspect it was my body ridding itself of the last toxins?

Again, I am not an expert on this, but these have been my experiences and observations about my specific situation. I feel that I am well on my way to kicking the TMJ problem - finally - and hope that your situation improves very soon too.

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I have had splints int he past and found that they did not help as I only clenched more. Also, the self-massage techniques provide instant discernable relief. It is just not permanent because the muscles have to relearn themselves into new patterns...and in the short term, will eventually go back into clenchign mode.
 
Poor mama, 12 days is such a long time.
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I really recommend the chiro, TMJ is a neck problem, vertabrae out of alignment & subluxations, but again, if someone has said that they went to a chiro & nothing happened, it's important to realize that not all chiro's are the same.

Also, magnesium, it's fairly inexpensive & helps in so many ways, almost the entire population is in need of more magnesium, it helps relax your muscles, helps with headaches, etc, etc. Try Mama Calm . It's $20 for a huge container, the key is taking it in small doses throughout the day until your stools become a bit loose as we all require different amounts.

HTH
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I've treated many, many patients with this condition using acupuncture and it's been very successful.

I used to have a bad case of TMJ after my mouth was open for 3 hours when I had my wisdom teeth removed. I also had acupuncture treatment and it's the only thing that worked for me...

Before then, I had tried physical therapy where they go into your mouth to stretch the muscles, massage, etc.

Good Luck!
 
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well day 16 - jaw still locked
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yesterday I went and had cranio sacral work done. It was like heaven, but no help with opening up my jaw...although the tension around my neck and sinuses was greatly relieved. I will keep up with this. She said she felt trauma in my left jaw area - although I do not remember any trauma- and suggestedtaking high dose of arnica (1m I think) and some calcium/magnesium at night.
She also showed me how to do some exercises with my neck and shoulder and will eventually do some work inside my mouth.
I still have an acupuncture appt. in a few weeks, but I'm excited that I'm doing SOMETHING. I have to admit that emotionally I think this is wearing me down more than physically.
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thanks for all the suggestions/encouragement.
I'm really thinking of having my fillings removed--that makes tons of sense to me. My dentist suggested it awhile ago. He said they were "ill fitted" and now that I'm done having kids and nursing I feel more comfortable with a release of toxins from the process.
thanks ladies -- cyber hugs feel good!
 
Hi ladies,

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: I was just diagnosed with tmj and I was wondering if any of you experience headaches. I've been having terrible ha's in the back of my head for about a week now. I know tmj can cause ha's and I wanted to know if any of you experienced them and what your headache is like? Mine kind of feels like tension but it's predominantly on the left side, which is the same side that my jaw pops and hurts occasionally. TIA.
 
Headaches are very common with TMJ, because of the muscular relationship. When you clench your jaw/grind your teeth, it causes the muscles around the jaw to tighten. The more you clench, the tighter the muscles become - it is kind of an endless circle. These muscles are connected to other muscles running down your neck (in front and back), and down your back (between shoulder blade and spine, for example), as well up into your head, especially in the temple region.

When I have had a night of heavy grinding, often a bad headache is my first sign. It is kind of a "chicken and egg" situation though. Does sleeping in a bad position stress my back muscles, which then triggers the tmj which then gives me a headache? Or is it the TMJ that triggers the headache and sore neck and back?

I am struggling to find a good solution to this problem. The headaches can be so bad, like I imagine a migraine must be, but they are technically "TENSION HEADACHES". I have found some relief through massaging the muscle that runs from just behind the ear (at the point where the jaw meets the ear) down around to the front of the neck, kind of "chewing the muscle" with my fingers. And also using a mechanical shiatsu-style back massager that you place in a chair (these are about $100, but worth it if you use it a lot).

My headaches usuallly start in the middle of the night and typically last until 3 pm.

Another solution that I have recently been using that sounds like quackery but has worked 3 out of 4 times so far - putting potato on my head! A friend of mine told me that this is a folk remedy in Guatelmala. You use a potato peeler to peel large swaths from a potato, and put it on the sore areas of your head (outside of the peel out, inner white part against your skin) then wrap a bandanna or cloth around your head to secure the potato. Leave it on for at least an hour. The theory is that the potato draws out the heat and toxins from your head. I don't know... I have not done any research on this but thought i would throw this out here in case it works for anyone.

And if anyone else has any more insights on TMJ headaches, I'd love to hear them...
 
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Hi ladies,

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: I was just diagnosed with tmj and I was wondering if any of you experience headaches. I've been having terrible ha's in the back of my head for about a week now. I know tmj can cause ha's and I wanted to know if any of you experienced them and what your headache is like? Mine kind of feels like tension but it's predominantly on the left side, which is the same side that my jaw pops and hurts occasionally. TIA.
Hi Joli, I love that name btw. I also have suffered for years & years from TMJ & my left side is also the side that pops & hurts. When I see my chiro & she works inside my mouth, it's the muscles on the right side that are tense, go figure.
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My other chiro (LOL, I have 3
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) says that TMJ is a neck issue & when I tell her that my jaw is bothering me, she works on the back of my neck.

When my jaw is sore & popping, I get in the shower, hot as I can take it & let the water pound the back of my neck & the front of my neck/jawline. I massage from behind my ears, down my jawline & also the 2 muscles that run down the front of my neck, on either side of my throat.

Seriously, try Mama Calm, it helps your muscles to relax, which is SOOO important with TMJ. Fish oil is also an anti-inflammatory, helps me with anxiety - which results in my clenching, headaches & jaw pain.

You know what else I use? Sombra, I rub it all over my muscles around my neck/jaw. I've even used it on my cheekbones during a sinus infection - burns your eyes though, but definitely clears your sinuses. LOL.
 
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