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Warning about Wells Fargo automatic "bi-weekly" payment plan

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#1 ·
I'm sure that many of you are familiar with the concept of doing bi-weekly mortgage payments, which in theory are supposed to help you by accumulating less interest over time (by applying payments every 2 weeks) and resulting in 13 payments over 12 months.

When we refinanced with Wells Fargo in January, we were offered the option of doing an automatic bi-weekly payment. We confirmed with the person that we were dealing with that the half bi-weekly payment would be applied immediately, since we had heard that many banks had started to refuse to apply until a "full" payment was received. After that was confirmed, we signed up for the plan.

We received our quarterly statement today and discovered that NO that was not true. The first half-payment is being held until the second half-payment is received before being applied to our mortgage. When we called Wells Fargo on this issue this evening, they stated that they do not accept partial mortgage payments and thus even their automatic bi-weekly program is only a courtesy to us, to make it "easier" for us to budget our mortgage payment. And we were also told that if we went to manually paying bi-weekly, our first payment would be held until our second was received.

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#3 ·
Bummer. Don't you have to pay extra to do the bi-weekly program? We were offered the program a few years ago and it had a set up fee (we didn't choose to do it).
 
#4 ·
Yeah, B of A won't do it either or they want to charge for the privilege.

You can still take half a payment out of every check though. On those months where you get three paychecks, keep the extra half payment in a savings account and make a 13th payment every year. The real trick is the 13th payment, not applying half-payments to your mortgage all the time.
 
#5 ·
Our credit union still offers the bi-weekly option with no fees and does apply the half-payment. However, DH is paid on the 15th and last day of the month and the bi-weekly payments didn't line up for us ten years ago when we got our first mortgage and had to budget every dollar.

We figured out with our first re-fi a couple years after when we were in much better financial shape to divide our monthly payment by twelve and add that amount to each mortgage payment as "principal only". We effectively make 13 payments each year on the loan and it shaves off years with zero hassle and zero misunderstanding (and no costs compared to other financial institutions, but ours doesn't charge either way).

FWIW, any extra amount towards principal each month does wonders for reducing your total interest paid. Paying extra each month does more than paying a larger lump sum once a year (even when the same annual dollar amount) - due to compounding interest. The goal is to lower the principal amount as often as possible, so that less interest is computed before each payment. It is minor with small loans, but becomes much bigger with larger loans like a mortgage, especially a mortgage in a high COL.
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by sunnysandiegan View Post
FWIW, any extra amount towards principal each month does wonders for reducing your total interest paid. Paying extra each month does more than paying a larger lump sum once a year (even when the same annual dollar amount) - due to compounding interest. The goal is to lower the principal amount as often as possible, so that less interest is computed before each payment. It is minor with small loans, but becomes much bigger with larger loans like a mortgage, especially a mortgage in a high COL.
Yeah, we know--we've been making more than the minimum payment for years. Extra on each, and generally about $3000-5000 extra to principal in a lump sum each December.

For example, right now our monthly mortgage payment is $1700, but we set up the biweekly to be payments of $1000 each.*

And despite WF explicitly telling us in December that they did accept and immediately apply partial payments under the program, that's now $1000 they're holding onto for 14 days out of every month rather than it being in our interest-bearing account. Maybe that's just peanuts in the scheme of things, but the fact that we were lied to in December (either they didn't take partial payments already, or the policy changed on Jan 1) just pisses me off.

*And that all is only principal+interest. We do not escrow.
 
#7 ·
I hear your frustration. Maybe you can change the bi-weekly to monthly payments? You already understand the concept and are doing exactly the right thing.

Credit unions tend to be so much more flexible. We can switch our automatic payment method and amount any time (well, that is not technically accurate....we cannot make any changes during the 1st through 10th of any month) very easily online - no cost. I don't know if Wells Fargo or other traditional banks allow that. Our mortgage (the loan itself) is set, but the payment options are flexible, if that makes sense.
 
#8 ·
Interesting. I was an expert witness in a class action lawsuit against Wells Fargo in 2004 to 2006. At that time WF stated they didn't offer Bi-Weekly Mortgages. The slithering snake changed these home owners' bi-weekly mortgages to traditional 30 year mortgages, breaching the written contracts. Better check your annual statement of principal balance and interest paid to insure WF is in fact treating your mortgages as accelerated pay off loans and not a traditional 30 year loan.

Here's the lawsuit incase anyone is interested:

"I. Factual and Procedural Background



Plaintiffs are a group of homeowners who obtained 30 year adjustable rate mortgage loans from Parker Square Bank ("PSB"). When they obtained their mortgages, Plaintiffs elected to participate in a program offered by PSB that enabled them to make bi-weekly (instead of monthly) payments on their loans, effectively causing one extra payment to be made on the loans each year. As part of the program, Plaintiffs opened bank accounts at PSB, from which their bi-weekly loan payments were automatically paid. Plaintiffs "expected" that under this program they would pay off their mortgages in less than 20 years. Plaintiffs have provided no documentation by Defendant that the term of their loans was less than 20 years. Instead, they rely on their own expectation and the testimony of PSB's former loan officer Donnie Park ("Park") that the loans were set up as 30 year adjustable rate mortgages with bi-weekly payments and early payoff.

In 1999, the predecessor to Defendant Wells Fargo Home Mortgage purchased the assets of Parker Square Bank, including the Plaintiffs' mortgage notes. Between 1999 and 2000, Defendant reamortized each of the Plaintiffs' mortgage notes for the full 30 year term of the loans, maintaining the bi-weekly payments but lowering the amount of each payment. Plaintiffs allege that Defendant made this change "quietly" and never told them that the loans had been reamortized to the 30 year maturity dates reflected in their mortgage notes. Plaintiffs admit, however, that they received "ARM Change Letters" showing the remaining number of payments on the note. Each of these ARM Change Letters indicates that the number of payments remaining (assuming that Plaintiffs continued making 26 payments per year) would cause the loan to be fully paid off in 15-19 years.

Plaintiffs allege that they did not know of or consent to the change to their loans by Defendant. They assert claims for breach of contract, fraud, negligence, negligent misrepresentation, violations of the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act ("DTPA"), Tex. Bus. C. Code § 17.41, et seq., violations of the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act ("RESPA"), 12 U.S.C. § 2601, et seq., violations of the Truth in Lending Act ("TILA"), 15 U.S.C. § 1601, et seq., and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Defendant moves for summary judgment on all of Plaintiffs' claims."


The judge states " When they obtained their mortgages, Plaintiffs elected to participate in a program offered by PSB that enabled them to make bi-weekly (instead of monthly) payments on their loans, effectively causing one extra payment to be made on the loans each year. As part of the program, Plaintiffs opened bank accounts at PSB, from which their bi-weekly loan payments were automatically paid. Plaintiffs "expected" that under this program they would pay off their mortgages in less than 20 years."

This is so twisted and inaccurate. First of all, the plaintiffs did not "elect to participate in a program". Parker Square Bank was a locally owned bank in Wichita Falls, TX which was bought out or acquired by Norwest Corp in 1995:

"D. Federal Reserve Bank of
Minneapolis (James M. Lyon, Vice
President) 250 Marquette Avenue,
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55480:
1. Norwest Corporation, Minneapolis,
Minnesota; to acquire 100 percent of the
voting shares of United Texas Financial
Corporation, Wichita Falls, Texas, and
thereby indirectly acquire Parker Square
Bank, N.A., Wichita Falls, Texas, and
First State Bank, Archer City, Texas. "


Norwest was then acquired by Wells Fargo in 1998:


The plaintiff's attorney and I met with the former Parker Square Bank president, Dick Waggoner, and the former head of mortgage services, Donnie Parks, at the plaintiff's attorney's law offices. We were shown the brochure for the mortgages that these homeowners had obtained from the bank. The name of the mortgage was the "Interest Fighter Mortgage". So named because, as explained in the brochure, it was set up on bi-weekly payments equal to 1/2 of a regular monthly payment for a 30 year mortgage. Since there are 52 weeks in a year, there would be 26 bi-weekly payments each year, which are equal to 13 monthly payments.

So the way the contract was structured, the mortgages would pay off earlier than 30 years, some in about 25 years, and some in about 23 years, as I recall. It depended on when the contracts were originated and what the adjustable rates were for the mortgages. None of the mortgages paid off in less than 20 years, as the judge states. I ran amortization schedules for every one of them.

Why the judge did not understand that, I have no idea.

For over a decade, and some as long as 15 years, Parker Square Bank and then Norwest serviced the contracts according to what had been agreed upon between Parker Square Bank and the homeowners. They were serviced as accelerated pay-off loans, not 30 year loans. The verbal agreement, the written contract, and the behavior of the parties to the contract all manifested these were true Bi-Weekly accelerated pay off mortgages, until Wells Fargo acquired Norwest. WF unilaterally changed the contracts to traditional 30 year ARMs. They breached the contracts. These are the facts of the case.

The judge stated: "Plaintiffs have provided no documentation by Defendant that the term of their loans was less than 20 years. Instead, they rely on their own expectation and the testimony of PSB's former loan officer Donnie Park ("Park") that the loans were set up as 30 year adjustable rate mortgages with bi-weekly payments and early payoff."

Wrong. With each interest rate change the new bi-weekly payment was set as 1/2 of a monthly payment. This kept the integrity of making the equivalent of 13 monthly payments a year, paying the loans off early. This was manifested by Parker Square Bank and Norwest's servicing of these loans. In addition, the Brochure the plaintiffs were given prior to purchasing these loans documented how these loans worked, paying off the mortgage years earlier than a traditional 30 year ARM. Plus the testimony of Donnie Parks and Dick Waggoner confirmed that these loans were accelerated pay off loans. The judge is the one who has no documentation that these loans were traditional 30 year ARMs.

WF never sent a letter notifying the plaintiffs about the change in servicing. After a decade or more of proper servicing of the loans by Parker Square Bank, then Norwest, plus the verbal agreement between the original parties to the contract, plus the mortgage brochure, if I had purchased this loan I would just assume WF would continue to service the loans properly. And lay people, many anyway, don't understand what an "ARM change letter" is nor understand its contents. My barber for 35 years was one of the plaintiffs in this case. This is how I became involved, through discussion about Wells Fargo's servicing of his loan while he cut my hair. He is a smart guy but he was not aware WF had changed the servicing until 3 years and some months after the change had taken place.

The fact is as soon as the servicing of these contracts was changed the plaintiffs began suffering economic damages. Excessive interest was being charged by WF and paid by the plaintiffs with each bi-weekly payment after the change in servicing because the payments were lowered. It's just like a credit card payment. If the credit card company lowers the payments, more interest is charged against the outstanding principal balance (because the balance is larger than it would be with a larger required payment) and the period to pay off the balance is lengthened because of the lower required payment. So, more interest is charged, the length of the mortgage is longer (30 years), and equity in the property is decreased with each payment under the new servicing. In short, WF screwed these folks.

Word to the wise, look at your annual mortgage statements and insure the loans is being serviced as you think it is. If you don't know how to do this find a CPA and have him or her look over the servicing for you.